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[CALL TO ORDER]
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER KARLIN.
>> MAYOR SAYERS IS PRESENT AND PRESIDING.
[APPROVE MINUTES]
NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JANUARY 2ND, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES.MOTION BY MELANIE, SECOND BY COURTNEY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
JENNIFER, ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE AGENDA?
[MODIFICATION OF AGENDA]
>> THANK YOU. NEXT, THERE ARE THREE ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
ALL MATTERS LISTED WITHIN THE CONSENT AGENDA HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO EACH MEMBER OF THE GOVERNING BODY FOR REVIEW, ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE, AND WILL BE ENACTED ON BY ONE MOTION WITH NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION.IF A MEMBER OF THE GOVERNING BODY OR AUDIENCE DESIRES SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON AN ITEM, THAT ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PLACED ON THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS 1-3.
MOTION BY JOE, SECOND BY BILL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
[4. Consideration of a rezoning and preliminary plan known as The Residences on Woodsonia for a multifamily residential development located near the northeast and southeast corners of future 86th Street & Woodsonia Drive]
A REZONING AND PRELIMINARY PLAN KNOWN AS THE RESIDENCES ON WOODSONIA FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST CORNERS OF FUTURE 86TH STREET AND WOODSONIA DRIVE.ITEM 4A IS AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY FROM AG, AGRICULTURAL TO THE RP-4, PLANNED RESIDENTIAL, HIGH DENSITY, AND RP-2 PLANNED RESIDENTIAL, IMMEDIATE DENSITY DISTRICTS.
ITEM 4B IS AN APPROVAL OF COMPANION PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR THE RESIDENCES ON WOODSONIA. STEPHANIE?
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS.
STEPHANIE KISLER, PLANNING MANAGER IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
I KNOW THAT WAS QUITE A MOUTHFUL TO INTRODUCE THERE, SO I WILL TRY AND EXPLAIN THAT IN MORE DEPTH HERE.
AS MENTIONED, THIS IS THE RESIDENCES ON WOODSONIA PROJECT AND IT IS A REZONING AND PRELIMINARY PLAN APPLICATION.
IT'S NEAR THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST CORNERS OF FUTURE 86TH STREET AND WOODSONIA DRIVE.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT VERY CLEARLY JUST UP FRONT HERE BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION THAT THIS DOES ENTAIL A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT TO REMAND THIS PROJECT TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
I AM GOING TO RECAP THE PROJECT, BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SEND THIS BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY AS WE GET THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION HERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN NOW, THE SUBJECT SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
IT'S BETWEEN MONTICELLO ROAD TO THE EAST AND WOODSONIA DRIVE TO THE WEST.
FUTURE 86 STREET WILL CUT APPROXIMATELY RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE AND LINE UP WITH THAT ROUNDABOUT ON MONTICELLO ROAD.
TO THE WEST, WE HAVE THE WEST SIDE FAMILY CHURCH AND TO THE EAST, POWDER CREEK SHOOTING RANGE, TO THE NORTH FREEDOM FIELDS PARK, AND TO THE SOUTH, WATER CREST LANDING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS AG OR AGRICULTURAL AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN HERE.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER GREEN PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED AG.
TO THE SOUTH, WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL ZONING WITH RP-1 AND RE.
TO THE SOUTHWEST SOME RP-3, 4, AND 5 WHICH IS HIGHER DENSITY BUT STILL UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME.
THE CHURCH TO THE WEST IS ZONED R-1 WHICH IS A TYPICAL ZONING FOR A CHURCH-TYPE PROPERTY.
THEN THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL CP-2 TO THE NORTHWEST HERE CLOSER TO K-7 AND 83RD STREET.
THE PROPOSED REZONING ENTAILS REZONING FROM THE AG DISTRICT TO HALF RP-2 AND HALF RP-4 AND I USE HALF VERY LOOSELY.
WE'LL GET INTO SOME MORE DETAILS ON THE EXACT LAND AREA.
BUT GENERALLY THE NORTH HALF WOULD BE RP-4 WHICH IS A DENSE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND A MEDIUM DENSITY RP-2 RESIDENTIAL ZONING ON THE SOUTH WHERE YOU SEE THE YELLOW.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT HERE, WE USE THE TERM RP AS A RESIDENTIAL PLANNED BECAUSE IT IS TIED TO A PLAN.
SO WHERE YOU SEE A P IN THE R TYPE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S ATTACHED TO A PLAN.
THE CHURCH ZONED R-1 DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PLAN ATTACHED AT THE TIME OF REZONING SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SOME OF THE SUBDIVISIONS DOWN HERE SUCH AS WATER CREST LANDING HAS THAT
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P ATTACHED TO THE ZONING BECAUSE IT HAPPENED AT THE TIME OF THE PLAN AS WELL.WHEN REVIEWING REZONING, STAFF DOES EVALUATE THE 13 CRITERIA FOR REZONING ON THE SCREEN HERE.
THESE ARE SOMETIMES ALSO REFERRED TO AS THE GOLDEN CRITERIA OR THE GOLDEN FACTORS.
THIS IS A VERY ABBREVIATED LIST OF WHAT THOSE ENTAIL.
WE DO DETAIL RESPONSES TO EACH OF THESE CRITERIA IN OUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REPORTS AND I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO FURTHER DETAIL IF YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS APPLICATION RELATES TO EACH OF THESE CRITERIA.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS THIS PROPERTY AS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
YOU CAN SEE AROUND THE PERIMETER, THERE ARE SEVERAL LIME GREEN-COLORED SPACES WHICH ARE DESIGNATED FOR PUBLIC AND OPEN SPACE TYPE PROPERTY USES.
SOME COMMUNITY RETAIL WHERE WE SAW THAT COMMERCIAL ZONING UP HERE IN THE NORTHWEST, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEAR POWDER CREEK, SO IF THAT EVER WERE TO REDEVELOP, THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL USE ACCORDING TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND OTHER LOW DENSITY AREAS TO THE SOUTH NEAR WATER CREST LANDING.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT PER THE COMP PLAN OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE CALL MEDIUM DENSITY EIGHT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WHEN TALKING ABOUT DENSITY.
YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE REVIEWED THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, SINCE THIS WHOLE SITE AREA IS CONSIDERED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE WERE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THE LENS OF THE ENTIRE PARCEL AS A WHOLE WOULD NEED TO BE NO MORE THAN EIGHT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
HERE ON THE SCREEN NOW YOU CAN SEE THE SITE PLAN AND THIS IS WHERE IT BREAKS INTO THOSE TWO SECTIONS BROKEN APART BY FUTURE 86 STREET AS IT CONNECTS EAST, WEST FROM WOODS SONIA TO MONTICELLO.
THE NORTHERN SIDE IS TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT.
IT'LL BE THREE STORIES TALL AND IT CURRENTLY HAS 10 BUILDINGS, ONE CLUBHOUSE, AND A TOTAL OF 240 DWELLING UNITS.
THE SOUTH SIDE IS A LOWER DENSITY AS YOU SAW BY THAT RP-2 ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND IT INCLUDES 11 BUILDINGS WITH 62 TOWNHOME UNITS.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, THOSE TOWNHOMES ARE BROKEN UP FROM ANYWHERE FROM A FOUR UNIT BUILDING TO A SIX UNIT BUILDING.
WE DID ANALYZE THE DENSITY AND LIKE I SAID IN THE EARLIER SLIDE, THE OVERALL UNITS PER ACRE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED PER THE COMP PLAN WOULD BE EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE.
THE BROWN AREA WHICH IS THE RP-4 ZONING IS A TOTAL OF ABOUT 16 ACRES AND 240 UNITS AND THAT EQUALS A DENSITY OF JUST UNDER 15 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE SOUTH PORTION IS 62 UNITS AND JUST ABOUT 22 ACRES AND THAT EQUALS JUST UNDER THREE UNITS PER ACRE.
WHEN YOU AVERAGE THOSE OUT, YOU GET 7.95 UNITS PER ACRE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE WHEN YOU COMBINE THE TWO PIECES.
AGAIN IT IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY ON THAT RP-4 SIDE ON THE NORTH AND LOWER DENSITY ON THE SOUTH.
STAFF DOES THINK THAT THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITION TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT EXISTS AT WATER CREST LANDING TO THE SOUTH HERE.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THE DEVELOPER BE MINDFUL OF THE CONTEXT OF THE SUBDIVISION HERE AND OPT TO PUT THE LOWER DENSITY NEAREST THIS RATHER THAN FLIP THIS PLAN AND HAVE THE HIGHER DENSITY ESSENTIALLY CLOSER TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. YES.
>> STEPHANIE, THE COMBINATION OF THE TWO PORTIONS AND LOOKING AT THE DENSITY AS AN AVERAGE, IS THAT A PRACTICE WE USED IN THE PAST? I DON'T RECALL THAT WE HAVE AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT'S A DEPARTURE FROM PRACTICE OR IF WE'VE DONE THAT CONSISTENTLY IN THE PAST.
>> MOST COMMONLY, IT WOULD BE DONE AS PART OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND WE WOULD LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE.
BECAUSE WE ARE CONTEMPLATING THESE TWO SITES AS A WHOLE, WE FOUND IT APPROPRIATE TO MEASURE IT AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE THOSE TWO SITES WERE BEING PLANNED AT THE SAME TIME.
>> SO TO FURTHER THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY WHERE WE LOOK AT IT ON AVERAGE TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS AND AVERAGE THAT OUT TO LOOK AT DENSITY?
>> I THINK SCOTT WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN.
>> I WOULD JUST SAY I THINK IT IS A BIT OF A DEPARTURE FROM PAST PRACTICES COUNCIL MEMBER KARLIN.
THE APPROACH THAT WE TOOK WITH THIS BECAUSE OF THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA AND WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, WE SUPPORT IT IN DOING OUR PRE-APPLICATION WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.
IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A NEW PUBLIC STREET THAT CARVES THROUGH THIS.
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THIS DOES PRESENT A FEW RISKS HOWEVER AND THAT MAY BE WHERE YOU'RE THINKING OF IN YOUR LINE OF QUESTIONING.BUT I THINK IN THE REMANNED BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE RISKS ONE BEING FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IT LEAVES SOME DENSITY ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THE RP-2 IS AN EIGHT DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE DENSITY.
THEY'RE AT 2.83 ARGUABLY AND I THINK WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAW WAS THAT, WELL, WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING WITH THIS PLAN? YOU'RE A LITTLE UNDEVELOPED ON THE SOUTH, WOULD YOU COME BACK AND TRY TO GET MORE OF THAT DENSITY BACK WITH YOU? WE DO HAVE THE SUPPORT AND PROTECTION IF YOU WILL OF THE PLAN WHICH IS WHY WE STARTED THE CONVERSATION.
THE PLAN IS MARRIED TO THE ZONING AND SO PROCESS-WISE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET A DIFFERENT PLAN ESTABLISHED, BUT IT DOES LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF RISK.
SO THE VALUES THAT WORK HERE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS THE CONTEXT OF TRYING TO DO LESS DENSITY AGAINST THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, SHIFT SOME OF THE DENSITY TO THE NORTH, AND MANAGE THOSE RISK IN THE FUTURE AS THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURS.
>> THANK YOU. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT MORE.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS AS WELL AS THE OTHER.
THE RP-4 IS NOT MEDIUM DENSITY AND THE LAND USE THAT WE ARE SHOWING RIGHT NOW IS MEDIUM DENSITY.
THOSE ARE TWO OF MY CONCERNS AS I SEE IT BUT WE'LL SAVE THAT FOR LATER ON. THANK YOU.
>> ANYBODY ELSE AT THIS POINT OR SHOULD WE CONTINUE? GOOD.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT FOR THE GOVERNING BODY TOO THAT CONSTRUCTION OF THE SECTION OF WOODSONIA NEAR THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, IS REQUIRED.
IT MAY COME ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT OR AN ADJOINING DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW DEVELOPMENTS APPROVED OR IN THE PIPELINE FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA ALONG WOODSONIA DEPENDING ON TIMING.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THAT WILL BE CONNECTED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT OR ONE OF THE OTHER PROJECTS.
NOW ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THIS IS STILL A PRELIMINARY PLAN STAGE, SO THIS WILL BE MORE FINALIZED AS THE PLANS MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT SHOWS GENERAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE LANDSCAPE CODE.
DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, STAFF DID BRING UP THE TRAIL SYSTEM AND THE PROPOSED TRAIL CONNECTION THAT IS REQUIRED.
WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO PUT TRAILS ALONG THESE OVERHEAD POWER-LINE EASEMENTS THAT YOU SEE IN RED SHADED DIAGONALLY THROUGH THE PROPERTY HERE.
THE APPLICANT'S PLAN ORIGINALLY DEPICTED THIS YELLOW ALIGNMENT HERE WITH THE DASHED LINE THROUGH IT AS THE TRAIL CONNECTION.
GENERALLY, FOR BEST PRACTICE IN PLANNING, WE LIKE TO KEEP THAT MORE INTERNALIZED AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE RESIDENTIAL, SO STAFF'S PROPOSED ALIGNMENT LOOKS MORE LIKE THIS.
MORE LIME GREEN COLORED WITH A BLACK OUTLINE TRAIL ALIGNMENT.
THAT WOULD KEEP IT CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, POTENTIALLY MAKE THIS POND MORE OF AN AMENITY TYPE FEATURE TO PASS BY ON THAT TRAIL AND KEEP IT FROM BEING JUST ANOTHER TRAIL.
HONESTLY, WHEN YOU HAVE A TRAIL RIGHT NEXT TO A PUBLIC SIDEWALK, THEY'RE KEEPING THE SAME PURPOSE THERE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIAL AND BRING IT INTO THE SITE AND REALLY MAKE IT SOMETHING THOSE RESIDENTS COULD ACCESS IN THE FUTURE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT REVISION AS PART OF THEIR REVISED PLANS AS WELL.
HERE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS, AND FORGIVE ME, THIS IS A LITTLE FLIP FLOP BECAUSE THE APARTMENTS ARE ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS AND THE TOWN HOMES ARE ON THE TOP.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN WITH THE APARTMENTS ON THE TOP ON THE NORTH AND TOWN HOMES ON THE SOUTH.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THE TOWN HOMES AS PROPOSED, LIKE I SAID, WILL BE ANYWHERE FROM 4-6 UNIT BUILDINGS AND THERE'LL BE TWO STORIES.
THE ARCHITECTURE CAN BE SIMILAR BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS TO MAKE IT MORE COHESIVE.
ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN ARE THE APARTMENTS, AND IT'S A THREE STORY ELEVATION HERE.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT A HEIGHT DEVIATION IS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT IN ORDER TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE BUILDING HEIGHT OF 35 FEET IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, THEY WOULD BE PROPOSING AN AVERAGE BUILDING HEIGHT OF 38 FEET.
THAT IS MEASURED AS THE AVERAGE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE VERY PEAK HEIGHT, THIS IS THE STANDARD MEASUREMENT HERE FOR WHAT THE ROOF MEASUREMENT WOULD BE.
JUST TO RECAP THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE HAVE A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS TO SHARE ON THAT.
BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT DID HOLD A MEETING WITH
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THE WATER CREST LANDING HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND MET WITH THOSE RESIDENTS.THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD AT PLANNING COMMISSION ON DECEMBER 4TH, SO JUST A LITTLE MORE THAN A MONTH AGO, AND TWO PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC SPOKE AT OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
ONE WAS A RESIDENT FROM WATER CREST LANDING, WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND THE OTHER WAS THE GENERAL MANAGER OF POWDER CREEK SHOOTING RANGE.
I WILL SAY THE RESIDENT EXPRESSED GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT AND APPRECIATED THE APPLICANT'S ATTENTION TO THE SPACING BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THOSE EXISTING HOMES.
THE GENERAL MANAGER OF POWDER CREEK VOICED CONCERN ABOUT MAKING SURE THE RESIDENTS ARE AWARE THAT THERE'S A SHOOTING RANGE TO THE EAST OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER MITIGATES ANY FUTURE COMPLAINTS FOR SHOOTING NOISES BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF JUST GOING TO COME ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY, AS YOU ALL KNOW.
THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WERE GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PLANS, BUT DID QUESTION THE VIABILITY OF THE TOWNHOME COMPONENT.
SO AS SCOTT HAD MENTIONED, IT JUST SEEMED A LITTLE LESS DENSE AND MAYBE THE LAYOUT WASN'T QUITE APPROPRIATE.
SO, THAT'S AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO REVISIT AS PART OF THE REMAND, AND I'M GETTING THERE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE WAS 8:1 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE PART ONE TALKING ABOUT RECOMMENDATION HERE.
AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE REZONING IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE REMAND IN ORDER TO REVISE THE PLANS FOR THE SOUTH COMPONENT FOR THE TOWN HOME COMPONENT THAT YOU SAW.
AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A CONCEPT.
THIS COULD VERY WELL CHANGE SO KEEP IN MIND WHEN LOOKING AT THIS IMAGE, IT'S CONCEPTUAL AND DRAFT.
BUT THEY DID TAKE A LOOK AT MAYBE REWORKING THAT SOUTHERN COMPONENT.
AND IT'S NOW A DUPLEX STYLE DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF THOSE 4-6 UNIT BUILDINGS.
YOU CAN SEE THIS JUST FILLS THE LAND A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE OTHER PROPOSAL.
I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THOSE SIDE BY SIDE, AND FORGIVE ME, I KNOW THEY'RE SMALLER NOW, BUT I WANTED TO SCALE THEM SIMILARLY, JUST SO YOU COULD SEE THE DIFFERENCE VISUALLY.
ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS THE PROPOSAL THAT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AT PLANNING COMMISSION ALREADY, AND ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE THE NEWER DRAFT PROPOSAL WITH THE DUPLEX UNITS.
THIS WOULD BE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, SO IT IS APPROPRIATE TO BRING THIS BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ANOTHER LOOK AND ALSO ALLOW FOR SOME NOTIFICATION TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
WITH THAT, THE REVISED RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING IS TO REMAND THE REZONING AND PRELIMINARY PLAN APPLICATIONS TO THE MARCH 4TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR CONSIDERATION INCLUDING A REVISED PLAN FOR THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STEPHANIE BEFORE WE DO THAT? I SEE A LOT OF YOU SCRIBBLING.
IT WAS VERY THOROUGH. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
WAS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT ADDING SOME NOISE MITIGATION OR SOME NOISE BUFFER TO FURTHER MUFFLE THE SHOOTING RANGE FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THE RESIDENCE.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON NOISE, AND I THINK THE KEY IS JUST GOING TO BE MAKING SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF THE SHOOTING RANGE.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE DETAILS OF THEIR INTERIOR DESIGN AND INSULATION, AND THE WINDOWS THEY'RE SELECTING AND WHAT THE NOISE BARRIER AND QUALITY IS GOING TO BE ON THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT THAT MAYBE COULD PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ON NOISE MITIGATION.
JASON, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? [BACKGROUND] SLIDES?
>> NO, I'M OKAY. THANKS. JASON SWORDS, I'M THE FOUNDING PARTNER OF SUNFLOWER DEVELOPMENT GROUP.
MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
FIRST OFF, I APOLOGIZE WITH THIS WEATHER AND WHATNOT.
IT'S CAUSED ME TO BE OUT IN THE FIELD A LITTLE BIT LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.
TO ANSWER THE MOST RECENT QUESTION, YES, WE'LL DO A SOUND TRANSMISSION STUDY TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MITIGATE POWDER CREEK, BUT I DON'T VIEW POWDER CREEK AS A NEGATIVE, MORE OF A POSITIVE.
ANYBODY THAT GOES AND LIVES IN THIS AREA IS GOING TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
WE WOULD INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF ANY OF OUR LEASES THAT WE EXECUTE, THAT THEY KNOW THAT THERE IS A SKI SHOOTING RANGE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH WITHIN THE AREA.
I THINK THAT WHEN WE CAME THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, AND AS THE CHAIRMAN NOTED, WE ALL KNEW THAT THE DESIGN FOR THE TOWN HOMES DIDN'T FILL THE GROUND PROPERLY.
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WE'VE GONE BACK AND THROUGH SCOTT MCCULLOUGH COAXING OF ME, EVEN THOUGH MAYBE I MAY HAVE THOUGHT IT JUST A LITTLE BIT, I AGREE WITH HIM.SO WE'D LIKE TO COME BACK AND SUBMIT OUR PLANS BY THE 29TH OF THIS MONTH WITH A BETTER INFIELD PLAN FOR THE TOWN HOMES THEMSELVES.
WE ARE LOOKING AT, THIS IS A TRUE CO-DEVELOPMENT.
THOSE THAT LIVE IN OUR TOWN HOMES WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE AMENITIES OF THE APARTMENTS AS WELL.
I WOULD GO BACK TO WATER CREST AND WE HAD A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH THOSE FOLKS AND REPRESENT OUR PLAN.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE'LL HAVE THEIR SUPPORT.
THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT NOT HAVING THREE STORY BUILDINGS NEXT TO THEIR TWO STORY HOMES, SO I THINK THAT US HAVING TWO STORIES TO THE SOUTH, THREE STORIES TO THE NORTH, GIVES THEM MORE COMFORT.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE WESTSIDE FAMILY CHURCH AND A NUMBER OF OTHER STAKEHOLDERS ON WOODSONIA TO THE SOUTH.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH A SPECIAL BENEFITS DISTRICT AND I'VE NEVER DONE ONE OF THOSE BEFORE.
THIS IS MY FIRST STEP THROUGH THIS, SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER STEP TO GIVE PAUSE.
BUT IT'S OUR INTENTION TO BUILD A QUALITY PRODUCT HERE.
THIS IS A LONG-TERM HOLD FOR US AT SUNFLOWER.
AGAIN, THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S GUIDANCE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH REMINDING THIS BACK TO COUNT OR BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND COMING BACK WITH A BETTER PLAN BECAUSE I 100% AGREE THAT THE PLAN THAT WE HAD FOR THE SOUTH SIDE IT DIDN'T FILL THE GROUND ENOUGH.
I KNEW THAT GOING INTO PLANNING COMMISSION AND I GET IT, SO WE'LL COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN.
I DO THINK THAT THE LAYOUTS THAT WE'VE BUILT OR WE'VE DESIGNED TO THE NORTH FOR THE APARTMENTS, IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT, YOU REALIZE THAT WE'RE BUILDING WHAT I WOULD CALL A TRUE AMENITY SPACE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE GROUND.
IT'S OUR GOAL TO BUILD A RESORTS OUT, SWIMMING POOL.
THIS IS A TRUE COMMUNITY SPACE.
IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS OF BOTH THE TOWN HOMES AND THE APARTMENTS.
I KNOW THAT WOODSONIA IS A HOT BUTTON EXTENDING SOUTH AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BUILD, WHICH I BELIEVE IS 86 STREET, IS THAT CORRECT? GOING THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT, CONNECT THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS.
LIKE I'VE ALWAYS SAID, WE'RE ABOVE BOARD HERE AND WE REALIZE THAT THE PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF WORK AND I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM IN GOING BACK THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.
OUR PLANS WILL BE DUE ON THE 29TH, BUT, IT'S OUR INTENT TO BUILD A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT HERE AND OWN IT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
>> COURTNEY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR JASON?
>> I JUST WANT TO SEE THE TRAFFIC FLOW A LITTLE BIT.
>> WHY IS IT NOT GOING BACK? IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE KEYBOARD TURNED ON, THAT WOULD HELP, BUT THERE WE GO.
>> LET ME GO BACK TO THE SAY, PLAN, THERE.
>> JUST SO THAT I'M CLEAR ON THE TRAFFIC COMING IN, YOU'LL HAVE AN ENTRANCE COMING IN ON WOODSONIA TO 86 STREET.
THERE'LL BE A LITTLE SIDE COMING ACROSS FROM WEST SIDE ALSO.
ON THE WOODSONIA SIDE, THERE'S THE TOP, THE NORTH EDGE CUT IN AND THEN OTHERWISE, YOU'VE GOT TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FUTURE 86 STREET TO COME INTO THE WHOLE COMPLEX.
>> CORRECT. WHEN WE BUILD A MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO IS BE A CUT OFF GENERATION.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TWO POINTS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR 240 APARTMENTS, THAT IS REASONABLE TO ME.
WE ALSO ASSIGN ALL OUR PARKING SPACES.
THAT WAY WE KNOW WHO IS PARKING WHERE AND WHEN, ASSIGN THEM TO EACH APARTMENT.
WE FEEL LIKE THAT THAT DOES A GOOD JOB OF MITIGATING ANY CUT THROUGH.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE ASK FOR THE FUTURE STREET 86TH GOING THROUGH AND IT'S OUR DESIGN TO BUILD SPEED BUMPS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH THROUGH THERE.
>> I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS, WILL PEOPLE USE MORE WOODSONIA OR WILL THEY USE MORE MONTICELLO? WHAT DOES THAT TRAFFIC LOOK LIKE COMING INTO THIS COMPLEX?
>> I AM NOT A TRAFFIC STUDY EXPERT, BUT WE ARE HAVING OUR TRAFFIC STUDY REDONE TO PRESENT IN OUR PLAN FOR THE 29TH THAT WE NEED TO SUBMIT.
>> I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK, I WILL SAY THIS, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE AMENITIES WILL BE FOR BOTH.
THAT MAKES IT MORE OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IN MY EYES, WHEN YOU'VE GOT SHARED ACCOMMODATIONS,
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AS FAR AS YOUR POOL AND YOUR WORKOUT ROOM OR WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR IT.WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT INCLUDING IN THE LEASE FOR POWDER CREEK, BECAUSE I LIVE REALLY CLOSE TO THIS AND WE FIELD ALL THE CALLS EVEN NOW FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WE TELL, HEY, YOU MOVED IN THERE, YOU KNEW WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR HOUSE THAT THERE WAS A SHOOTING RANGE THERE.
WE STILL GET ALL OF THE ANGRY WHATEVERS.
WELL, WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT? THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN REALLY DO ABOUT IT.
I KNOW THAT YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO INCLUDE THIS IN THE LEASE.
MY REQUEST WOULD BE, CAN YOU HAVE IT A SEPARATE DOCUMENT?
>> YEAH. IT'S ACTUALLY AN ADDENDUM TO THE LEASE.
>> NOT JUST IN THE LEASE WHERE EVERYBODY INITIALS HERE, INITIALS HERE, INITIALS HERE.
>> NO, IT'S A RIDER, IT'S A SEPARATE DOCUMENT, IT'S AN ADDENDUM TO THE LEASE.
YOU HAVE TO SIGN IT, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT IT'S THERE.
>> DON'T CALL COURTNEY AND COMPLAIN [LAUGHTER] ABOUT POWDER CREEK.
[LAUGHTER] THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LOUD.
MY MOTHER LIVES REALLY CLOSE TO THERE AND IT'S LOUD, SO WHEN YOU'RE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE MOVING INTO.
>> WE'VE BUILT APARTMENTS IN MUCH MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENTS OTHER THAN THIS, AND WE'VE BUILT APARTMENTS WITHIN 28 FEET OF A RAILROAD TRACK.
POWDER CREEK DOES NOT SCARE ME.
>> BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, AND THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO FROM OUR FUTURE MANAGEMENT TEAM, IS HAVE THEM BE INUNDATED WITH COMPLAINTS OR THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE BAIT AND SWITCH TO WHAT? I HOPE EVERYBODY COMES OUT AND SIGNS A LEASE ON THE SATURDAY MORNING.
THAT WAY THEY CAN HEAR THE GUNS GOING OUTSIDE.
THAT'D BE PERFECT. BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
>> I JOKED. I SAID THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT ON MONDAY AND TUESDAY WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED AND NOT KNOW THAT IT'S HAPPENING. [LAUGHTER]
>> BUT WE AS DEVELOPERS, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE SITE FOR OVER A YEAR.
>> I UNDERSTAND IT, I GET IT, IT DOESN'T SCARE ME.
I ACTUALLY VIEW IT AS AN AMENITY.
I FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY NEGATIVE OF POWDER CREEK IS OUTWEIGHED BY THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITHIN THE LIKES OR SO.
BUT IT WOULD BE IN A SEPARATE ADDENDUM TO THE LEASE THAT EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO SIGN.
>> I AGREE. LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
I WILL SUPPORT THE REMAINED, I WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING BACK TO US AND GO FROM THERE.
>> CAN I ADD JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.
THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WE'VE SHOWN IS NOT 100% BAKED YET.
THAT NEEDS TO BE REFINED AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WE NEED TO WORK ON BUILDING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BUFFER IN BETWEEN WATER CREST AND OUR SITE, SO THAT WILL GET MORE INTENSIVE AS IT GOES THROUGH.
THE EXTERIORS OF THE BUILDING ARE GOING TO CHANGE TO SOME EXTENT.
WE UNDERSTAND THE VARIOUS ARCHITECTURES, STYLES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH THROUGH THE SINGLE FAMILY.
WE DON'T WANT THIS TO MATCH AT THIS, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A THUMB STICKING UP, SO WE'RE GOING TO BLEND SOME OF THIS AS WE GO.
IT'S NOT 100% DONE, BUT WE ARE GETTING CLOSER.
I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THIS IS CONCERNED AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
AGAIN, BEFORE WE SUBMIT THIS BACK TO PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I'M HAPPY TO GO AND HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAD A GREAT MEETING WITH THOSE FOLKS.
I THINK THERE WERE PROBABLY 18 OR 20 OF THEM THERE AND I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT AGAIN.
ANYBODY ELSE, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? BILL.
>> THANK YOU, JASON. THANK YOU, STEPHANIE.
AS A RULE, DO WE HAVE MORE UPSCALE FINISHINGS ON TOWNHOMES RATHER THAN DUPLEXES? JASON, YOU MIGHT KNOW AND WE JUST TALK ABOUT BLENDING.
I THINK WE GET TO REVIEW AND MAYBE IMPOSE SOME DESIGN WILL ON IT WHEN THEY COME LIKE THIS AS A PACKAGE VERSUS INDIVIDUAL DUPLEXES BEING CONSTRUCTED.
BUT I THINK WE SEEK HIGH DESIGN ON EVERY RESIDENTIAL TYPE OF BUILDING.
>> WELL, SO I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, I WOULD FAIL THAT CLASS ALL DAY LONG.
BUT I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT THE EXTERIOR FINISHES THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE, THE MATERIALS ARE GOING TO BE THE EXACT SAME AS WHAT'S IN THE SINGLE FAMILY.
>> THE MATERIALS ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME AND/OR EQUIVALENT AS TO WHAT'S IN THE SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
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IT'S GOING TO BE QUALITY MATERIALS, SO WE'RE TALKING REAL STONE, CEMENT, HARDY BOARD, SO ON AND SO FORTH.CONCRETE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SKIPPING IN THAT MINE.
THESE ARE GOING TO BE CLASS-A APARTMENTS, SO APARTMENTS IN TOWNHOMES.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY CONCERN THERE.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REVIEW WHATEVER WE SUBMIT AND IF THEY'VE GOT CONCERNS OR COMMENTS TO IT, I'LL CERTAINLY TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION.
>> THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, STEPHANIE, THAT NEW PLAN THAT JASON GAVE US, THE MOCKUP, IT GOT INTO YOUR TRAIL THAT YOU'D BEEN WORKING ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU WORK WITH JASON TO MAKE SURE IT'S AS RESIDENT FRIENDLIER THAN OUT BY THE STREET JUST LIKE YOU HAD IT THE FIRST TIME.
>> YOU'RE PLANNING STAFF SAYING GREAT, THEY'VE LED ME TO THE WATER HERE.
THIS IS MY FIRST PROJECT IN LENEXA, I DON'T WANT TO SCREW THIS UP.
>> WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO WORK WITH LOGAN ON HOW IT TOUCHES HIS PARK.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE BUILT A PRETTY WIDE TRAIL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HIS PARK JUST RECENTLY WITH THAT NEW STOP LIGHT COMING, AND SO JUST GREAT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CONNECT ALL STUFF.
>> A BIG PART OF WHY WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS IS THE PARK.
THE PARK, MY FAMILY USES IT AND I LIVE IN MISSOURI.
THE PARK IS A TRUE AMENITY TO OUR RESIDENTS AND SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
IN ADDITION, WE HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE TRAIL OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS GOING IN, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE.
>> I'M NOT A FAN OF APARTMENTS, PERIOD.
BUT THAT LAND ON OUR COMP PLAN HAD SAID, AS YOU MENTIONED, MEDIUM DENSITY.
TO ME, THAT'S RP2 AND 3, NOT 4.
SO I WOULD LIKE PLEASE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOT TO ONLY LOOK AT THE SOUTH PLAN, BUT TO LOOK AT THE ZONING THAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR THOSE APARTMENTS.
>> CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT REASON YOU ARE ASKING FOR?
>> PLANNING COMMISSION TO SEE IF WE SHOULD STICK TO THE COMP PLAN WHICH IS, IN MY THOUGHT, RP3 AND BELOW, RATHER THAN THE DENSITY THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR RP4.
>> EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE AVERAGING THE TWO?
>> I WAS ONE OF THEM SCRIBBLING.
>> THE TERM FILL THE GROUND BOTHERED ME.
CAN WE ELABORATE ON THAT? WE ARE LENEXA, WE DON'T HAVE TO FILL THE GROUND.
>> I THINK THAT WHAT I MEANT BY THAT WAS IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT PLAN TODAY, THE SPACING BETWEEN THE UNITS, IT WAS TOO SPREAD OUT, SO IT'S KIND OF A WASTE OF GROUND.
THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD BUILD LARGER TOWNHOMES TO TAKE UP MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO UTILIZE THE GROUND BETTER AND SEPARATE FOUR-UNIT BUILDINGS INTO TWO-UNIT BUILDINGS AND PROVIDE LIKELY LARGER PARKING, SO INTERNAL PARKING WITHIN THOSE UNITS.
SO BY FILL THE GROUND, I DON'T MEAN BRINGING ANY EXCESS FILL IN, I JUST MEAN IT'S SPREADING OUT THE DEVELOPMENT FOR A BETTER USE OF THE GROUND, SIR.
>> SO IT LOOK MORE LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN JUST BUILDINGS THAT ARE REALLY FAR APART.
>> YEAH. I CAN'T SEE THE TENSION BETWEEN THE LARGE BUILDINGS AND THE, WHAT I'LL CALL OPEN SPACE ON THAT.
>> I'M DOING A POOR JOB OF EXPLAINING THIS. I APOLOGIZE.
I CAN SEE THAT TENSION EVEN THOUGH THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS IS VIRTUALLY THE SAME, IF NOT THE SAME.
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THE TERM FILL THE GROUND BOTHERED ME, WE MIGHT TRY A BETTER TERM [OVERLAPPING].>> I WON'T USE THAT ONE AGAIN.
I WILL SAY THAT THE PLAN THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH THE PLANNING STAFF, THAT IS NOT 100% PUT TOGETHER YET, IT'LL BE BETTER THAN THE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TODAY, WHICH IS WHY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING REMANDED BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
>> WE'RE GOING TO FIX THE LAND-TO-BUILDING RATIO.
DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE? SO THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OPEN SPACE IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.
>> OKAY. THESE UNITS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE APARTMENTS, WHAT IS THE RATIO OF ONE-BEDROOM, TWO-BEDROOM, THREE-BEDROOM?
>> I THINK THAT WERE, AND, AGAIN, THIS ISN'T 100% PUT TOGETHER, WE'RE PROBABLY 15% THREE-BEDROOMS, BUT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO RAISE THAT NUMBER.
WE'RE GOING TO CUT OUR NUMBER OF ONE-BEDROOMS DOWN.
WE'RE WAITING ON A MARKET STUDY TO COME IN AS PART OF THAT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE PRIMARILY TWOS AND THREES, 40% ONES AS OPPOSED TO 60% ONE-BEDROOMS.
>> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
>> IT'S HARD TO GET A THREE-BEDROOM APARTMENT IN THIS TOWN.
>> IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM, IS YOU CAN'T BRING IN FAMILIES WHO WANT APARTMENT LIVING, ESPECIALLY NEXT TO A PARK AND THERE'S NOT THREE BEDROOMS AVAILABLE.
>> WELL, WE HAVE TWO OR THREE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE IN MISSION, KANSAS, OVER AT THE OLD MISSION LANES, THE BOWLING ALLEY THAT WERE UNDER DEVELOPMENT TODAY.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT PANASONIC IS TRYING TO LEASE 50 UNITS FROM US RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAMILIES THAT CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO LIVE WHICH HAS BEEN PART OF OUR CONSIDERATION, THAT TWO OR THREE-BEDROOM UNITS, AND CUTTING DOWN OUR ONE-BEDROOM UNITS.
WE'VE DONE A BUNCH OF URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN WHERE ONE-BEDROOMS AND STUDIOS MAKE MORE SENSE, THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE IN THIS LOCATION.
>> THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR JASON, STEPHANIE, OR SCOTT.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS PRETTY MUCH FOR THE FIRST TIME AND I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF THE HISTORY ON THE STOP LIGHTS OUT OF OFF 83RD, I GUESS.
THERE'S A PLANNED STOP LIGHT FOR MONTICELLO IN 83RD.
>> WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF THE WARRANT'S WARRANTED.
THE TRAFFIC WARRANTS IT IN THE FUTURE, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A PLAN.
[OVERLAPPING] I'M SORRY THERE IS [OVERLAPPING] THE TRAFFIC SYSTEM, THE TRAFFIC NETWORK IN THIS AREA IS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD.
WE'VE GOT A MAJOR COLLECTOR, MINOR COLLECTOR, IF NOT ARTERIAL, A MONTICELLO.
I RECALL ONE OF THE SUPPORT ELEMENTS THAT THE WATER CREST GENTLEMAN HAD WAS THE FACT THAT THIS WASN'T BRINGING ANY TRAFFIC THROUGH THE WATER CREST NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT ALL REMAINS EITHER ON THOSE MAJOR STREETS OR ON NEW 86TH STREET THERE.
WE FEEL LIKE THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IS PRETTY BEEFY HERE.
WELL THEN, THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS THEN THE ACCESS OFF OF WOODSONIA, WHAT IS THE RATIONALE FOR THAT? IS THAT A BACKUP? IS THAT AN EXIT ONLY? I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT MAKES SENSE TO BE MORE INTERNAL TO THE 86TH STREET, SO THEY GO EAST OR WEST TO THAT, TO THEN LET THE ROUNDABOUTS CONTROL THAT TRAFFIC INSTEAD OF DARTING RIGHT OUT TO WOODSONIA? AGAIN, WITHOUT BEING AN EXPERT, I BELIEVE THAT WAS PART OF PLANNING STAFF'S REQUEST AND THEN FIRE TRUCK RELATED AS WELL.
WELL, I KNOW YOU NEED EXTRA ENTRANCES FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT MADE MORE SENSE TO HAVE THOSE DOUBLE BACK ONTO 86TH OR NOT.
THE SENSE THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM THE CHURCH AND MAYBE NOT SO MUCH OF THE CHURCH, BUT EVERYBODY THAT IS SOUTH OF THE ROUNDABOUT WHERE IT DEAD ENDS TODAY IS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FROM OUR 86TH STREET, IN AND OUT, THE BETTER.
I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY FOR THOSE APARTMENT DWELLERS THAT MAY GET ACCESS TO THE NORTH TO COME IN.
BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A CLUBHOUSE THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIG PACKAGE ROOM THERE, SO FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP BY THE CLUBHOUSE TO GET AMAZON AND WHATNOT.
TONS OF AMAZON DELIVERY THESE DAYS.
YOU ALSO MENTIONED THIS TRAFFIC STUDY HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED.
THE FIRST ROUND WAS WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH, THE RESUBMITTAL IS GOING TO HAVE TO UPDATE IT BASED UPON THE DIFFERENT SIZES OF THE TOWNHOME UNITS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING,
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SO IT'S BEING UPDATED TODAY.THEN ONE FINAL COMMENT, AND I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IS OUR HOMES ASSOCIATION OWNS OUR PONDS.
HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED INTO THAT POND? I'M SORRY IF YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY DEALT WITH THAT, BUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT AND WHAT CONDITION IT IS IN TODAY? I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NOT, BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE POND.
I TAKE CARE OF A POND IN LEE SUMMIT ON ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT TODAY.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE CONDITION OF THAT POND JUST YET, BUT THAT WILL BE ON MY RADAR.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? STEPHANIE, GO AHEAD.
IF I COULD, I'LL ELABORATE ON ONE THING.
I'M NOT THIS TALL. SORRY, JASON.
COUNCIL MEMBER CHARLTON, I'LL JUST ELABORATE ON THE ACCESS POINT QUESTION THAT YOU RAISED.
AS JASON MENTIONED, IT IS PARTLY DUE TO FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS, THERE ARE ACCESS POINT REQUIREMENTS.
THEN IN ADDITION TO THE QUANTITY OF ACCESS POINTS, THEY HAVE TO BE SPACED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.
WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION FOR THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, I'M NOT SURE IF ANOTHER INTERNAL ACCESS WOULD MEET THE PARAMETERS, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT MORE AND ALSO EVALUATE THE NEW TRAFFIC STUDY WITH THE NEW PLANS.
JASON, IS THERE GOING TO BE A HOME ASSOCIATION? YOU IMPLIED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE POND, IS THIS GOING TO BE YOUR COMPANY MANAGING AND MAINTAINING THE GROUNDS AND EVERYTHING.
FOR THE SOUTH SIDE, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED.
BUT IF THERE IS HOA, WE WILL BE THE DECLARANT OF THAT UNTIL IT WOULD TRANSFER UPON.
SO MANY UNITS BEING TRANSFERRED TO SINGLE FAMILY OWNERS.
BUT WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET, COUNCILMAN.
THAT'S ALL PART OF THE RIGOR MORO THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT YET TODAY, BUT I'LL COME FORTH WITH A PLAN THAT MAKES SENSE.
I THINK THAT'S TYPICAL, ISN'T IT? YOU MAINTAIN EVERYTHING UNTIL A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS ARE ACQUIRED.
PART OF THE THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THE PROPOSED SPECIAL BENEFITS DISTRICT AND HOW WE INCORPORATE WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY FROM THE ROUNDABOUT WHERE IT STOPS RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF THE WESTSIDE FAMILY CHURCHES GROUND, AND THEIR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, THE TIMING OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, I BELIEVE MID MARCH, EARLY APRIL.
WE WON'T BE READY AT THAT POINT IN TIME, SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE BUILD THAT ROAD AND THEN BUILD 86.
THAT'S PART OF ANOTHER REASON FOR THE PAUSE, THAT MAKES SENSE? BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'RE DOING OUR VERY BEST TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
I'VE MET WITH THE WATER CREST FOLKS, MET WITH THE CHURCH.
I'VE MET WITH DAN AT THE CHURCH A HANDFUL OF TIMES, SO WE'RE TRYING TO NAVIGATE ALL OF THESE ITEMS. BUT MARKS RIGHT, PONDS ARE A PROBLEM.
PONDS, SHOTGUNS, I CAN'T THINK OF THEM. [LAUGHTER] TRAINS. THANK YOU.
I WANT TO JUST PUT A POINT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT MY COLLEAGUES MENTIONED, JASON, AND THAT IS JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE MONTICELLO SIDE IS INDEED THE FRONT DOOR, AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR CLUBHOUSE GUEST PARKING, INTENDED TRAFFIC PATTERN WOULD BE FROM THE MONTICELLO SIDE FOR ANY GUESTS VISITING AND THAT WOODSONIA IS PRIMARILY GOING TO BE RESIDENTS TRAVELING TO AND FROM THE INTERSTATE.
THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT FROM ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE FARTHER WAY, FARTHER SOUTH THAN ME GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN, THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND THIS.
THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO JUST END OUR DISCUSSION, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING, BY JUST SAYING, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING BACK AGAIN TO GET THAT SOUTH PART RIGHT BECAUSE SINCE WE'VE SEEN IT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT HAS FELT, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, STRANGE THAT IT WAS SO SPREAD OUT AND THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SUCH AN ODD DISTANCE IN BETWEEN THOSE BUILDINGS.
I APPRECIATE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE TO GET THAT RIGHT BECAUSE I THINK EVEN JUST THE SNAPSHOT OF WHAT YOU SHOWED DEFINITELY FEELS A LOT BETTER AND A GOOD TRANSITION BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN THE DUPLEXES AND THEN THE MULTIFAMILY.
AGAIN, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TRYING TO DEVELOP ANYTHING IN AN [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] I'M NOT TRYING TO SET A BAD PRECEDENT HERE.
HE'S HELPED LEAD ME TO A LITTLE BIT OF WATER HERE, SO I'D RATHER GET IT RIGHT THAN HAVE REGRETS, SO I'M OKAY WITH THEM.
LET US WORK IN JANUARY, AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS WILL LIKE SOMETHING IN MARCH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE? WITH THAT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO REMAND ITEMS 4A AND 4 B BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
LOOK AT THE ZONING RP3 RESIDENTIAL AND LOOK AT THE ZONING ON THE NORTH END,
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NOT JUST THE PLAN.DO WE NEED TO SAY THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY? I THINK WE CAN CAPTURE IT AND BRING IT BACK IN THE LETTER THAT THE PRESIDENT OF OF THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO SIGN AND SUBMIT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I THINK I'VE GOT IT AND I THINK SEAN HAS BEEN LISTENING AS WELL.
MOTION TO REMAND ITEMS 4A AND 4B BACK, AND THEN WHATEVER AMENDMENT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE FOR THE ZONING, AND I'VE FORGOTTEN WHO SAID WHAT.
SECOND BY CRAIG THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANK YOU, JASON. ANY NEW BUSINESS TONIGHT? COUNCIL MEMBER REPORTS.
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