9. Approval of a final plan for an office building known as the Kiewit K3 Building, located at the southwest corner of 89th Street & Hampton Street in the CC, Planned City Center Zoning District

[9. Approval of a final plan for an office building known as the Kiewit K3 Building, located at the southwest corner of 89th Street & Hampton Street in the CC, Planned City Center Zoning District]

AN OFFICE BUILDING KNOWN AS THE KIEWIT K3 BUILDING LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF E19 STREET AND HAMPTON STREET IN THIS CC PLAN CITY-CENTER ZONING DISTRICT. STEPHANIE.

GOOD EVENING.

STEPHANIE KESSLER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

LET ME PULL UP MY POWERPOINT HERE.

AS MENTIONED, THIS IS THE KIEWIT K3 BUILDING.

IT IS A FINAL PLAN APPROVAL AND IT'S LOCATED NEAR APPROXIMATELY THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF 89TH STREET AND HAMPTON.

YOU CAN SEE THAT LOCATION MAP ON YOUR SCREEN NOW.

THIS IS THE VACANT PIECE BETWEEN THE OTHER EXISTING KIEWIT BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PENROSE AS IT TURNS INTO 89TH STREET.

NOW ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE THE SITE PLAN AND THE K3 BUILDING HAS PROPOSED AS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE YELLOW WITH THE DASHED LINE AROUND IT.

THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE SHOWN AS K1, 2 AND 4 IN PINK.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN THE PARKING AREA, THERE IS A PROPOSED PARKING STRUCTURE IN THE GREEN COLOR THERE TO THE WEST OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.

THE K3 BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 177,000 SQUARE FEET AND SIX STORIES TALL.

IT WILL APPEAR VERY SIMILAR IN FORM TO THE K4 BUILDING THAT EXISTS JUST TO THE WEST OF IT.

THEY'RE ARE ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS WITH PARKING.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THE TRAIL WILL BE REALIGNED IN THAT GREEN DASHED LINE.

IT'LL BE MORE OF A LINEAR PATTERN ALONG THE PROPERTY EDGE.

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THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME PLAZA AND FOUNDATION PLANTING AND PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES ON TYPE IMPROVEMENTS AROUND THE BUILDING ITSELF.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW PARKING AS WELL AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL.

AS YOU KNOW, CITY CENTER IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE ON PARKING BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SHARED PUBLIC PARKING THROUGHOUT BASED ON CODE CALCULATIONS.

THERE IS A DEFICIENCY OF ABOUT 400 OR SO PARKING SPACES.

STAFF REVIEWED THAT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THAT.

STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER BOTH SUPPORTIVE OF THAT DEFICIENCY AFTER HEARING MORE ABOUT THE OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS OF HOW KIEWIT PLANS TO OCCUPY THE BUILDING, THE AMOUNT OF REMOTE WORK THEY HAVE, AND JUST THEIR OVERALL INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THE OFFICE TO USE HAS BEEN AT THEIR EXISTING LOCATIONS AT BUILDING 1, 2, AND 4.

NOW ON THE SCREEN YOU'LL SEE SOME RENDERINGS.

THE TOP LEFT IS A RENDERING LOOKING FROM THAT TRAIL AREA TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY, LOOKING AT THAT NEW PARKING DECK AREA TOWARD THE BUILDING, AND YOU'LL SEE IT STANDS VERY SIMILARLY TO THE EXISTING K4 BUILDING TO ITS WEST, AND SLIGHTLY TALLER THAN THE EXISTING K1 AND K2 BUILDING.

THE BOTTOM IMAGE YOU SEE THERE IS THE PARKING DECK WITH AN OPTIONAL SOLAR ARRAY COVERING THAT TOP LEVEL.

AT THIS TIME KIEWIT WOULD LIKE THE OPTION TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL THAT SO THEY'RE INCLUDING THAT IN THE PLAN REVIEW AS WELL.

I'M NOT CERTAIN IF THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL THAT WITH THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTIONAL THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY COME LATER.

LANDSCAPING WISE, THERE WILL BE SEVERAL LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE PLAZA AREA SURROUNDING THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL HAVE THOSE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES ZONE TYPE PAVING AND LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS.

THERE IS A EMERGENCY ACCESS DRIVE PLANNED BETWEEN THAT TREE ROW YOU SEE ON THE SOUTH OF THE BUILDING HERE TO MEET FIRE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS AND ALLOW EMERGENCY ACCESS WHEN NEEDED.

AND THERE WILL BE TYPICAL FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AROUND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE PENROSE IN THE 89TH MEETS.

HERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS OF THE BUILDING.

AGAIN AT SIX STORIES, 177,000 SQUARE FEET OR SO.

AS THE FULL SIX STORIES EXIST ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING SO YOU CAN SEE IT ALIGNS NICELY WITH THE EXISTING K4 BUILDING.

HOWEVER, IT DOES HAVE SOME SIMILARITIES TO THE EXISTING K1, K2 BUILDING.

BY OFFERING A STEP BACK TO THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING.

YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT BOTTOM PICTURE, THAT BUILDING GOES FROM ABOUT FOUR STORIES TO SIX STORIES THERE STEPS DOWN AND MEETS MORE OF THE HEIGHT OF THAT K1, K2 BUILDING.

SO IT INTEGRATES NICELY WITH THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE KIEWIT CAMPUS AND CITY CENTER.

I WILL NOTE TOO, THAT THERE IS A SMALL BIT OF SIGN SHOWING ON THE ROOFTOP MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, THAT SIGNAGE WAS NOT REVIEWED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION AND IT'S NOT MEETING THE CHARACTER GUIDELINES FOR CITY CENTER.

SO IN THE FUTURE, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME BACK AND REQUEST THAT SIGN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD REVIEW IN MORE DETAIL AT A LATER DATE.

AND WITH THAT, STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAN FOR THE KIEWIT K3 BUILDING AND CITY CENTER. THANK YOU.

>> QUESTIONS FOR STEPHANIE? BEFORE WE HAVE APPLE TEMP PRESENTATION? ALAN LINCOLN AND TEAM COME ON FORWARD.

>> CAN I JUST USE THAT ONE?

>> ALL RIGHT. YEAH.

>> GREAT. [BACKGROUND].

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

MY NAME IS ALAN LINCOLN.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE AT KIEWIT.

FOR THOSE OF YOU DON'T KIEWIT IS A CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING FIRM.

WE'RE HEADQUARTERED IN OMAHA, NEBRASKA.

EMPLOYEE OWNED COMPANY, ABOUT 140 YEARS OLD AT PRESENT.

WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT A 20-YEAR HISTORY IN THE CITY OF LENEXA, STARTING WITH THE PURCHASE OF A COMPANY, BIB AND ASSOCIATES IN 2001, WE WERE LOCATED AT I35 AND 87 STREET.

BY 2009, WE'D GROWN TO ABOUT 400 EMPLOYEES AND WE'RE AT 9401 RENTAL JUST DOWN THE STREET HERE AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A NEW HOME ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO AND MOVED TO CITY CENTER.

WE NOW HAVE SEATS FOR JUST ABOUT 1,600 PEOPLE ON CAMPUS.

WE'RE OUT OF ROOM, WE'RE STILL OCCUPYING OUR BUILDING ACTUALLY AT JUST SOUTH OF 95TH AS WELL.

THIS CAMPUS HAVE BROUGHT US SO FAR WE HAVE AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME TO GROW.

THOUGHT THE CAMPUS WAS OUR TENURE GROWTH PLAN BLEW THROUGH THAT IN ABOUT THREE YEARS.

WE'RE BACK AGAIN, GOOD PROBLEMS TO HAVE, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROBLEM AT HAND.

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WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP, YOUR SUPPORT AS WE'VE GROWN AND WE'VE REALLY FOUND CITY CENTER TO BE A GREAT PLACE TO DO BUSINESS, OUR EMPLOYEES LIVE, WORK, EAT, SPEND TIME IN THE DISTRICT.

WE HAVE APARTMENTS HERE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND OUR FAMILIES LIVE IN THE CITY OF LENEXA AND SURROUNDING AREAS HERE.

SO WE'VE FOUND A GREAT PLACE TO CALL HOME, LOOK IN TO PUT FORTH THE EXPANSION OF BILL, TO COUNT DOUBLE DOWN ON THAT AGAIN AND SPEND ANOTHER GOOD LONG WHILE HERE.

WITH THAT, BACK BY A FULL ARCHITECTURE DESIGN TEAM HERE WE'VE GOT HOK, OUR DEVELOPER COPING IN BROOKS AND KIEWIT MEMBERS AS WELL.

WE TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND CAN ANSWER ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW.

>> THANKS, ALAN. QUESTIONS? DAN.

>> THANKS, MAYOR. LINCOLN, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> SO YOU WERE MENTIONING YOUR POPULATION WIDTH, WHICH THIS BUILDING IS UP AND RUNNING AND FULLY STAFFED TO YOUR POPULATION WILL BE WHAT, HOW MANY SEATS?

>> RIGHT AT 2,500, 800 SEATS IN THE NEW BUILDING AND ABOUT 1,685. TWENTY-FIVE HUNDRED.

>> I GUESS MY OTHER COMMENT IS JUST ARCHITECTURALLY IT FITS SO WELL.

I THINK FROM THE TIME WE SAID GO FOR NUMBER 4, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR NUMBER 3, AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE EXPECTED IT SO QUICKLY.

SO CONGRATULATIONS ON THE TREMENDOUS GROWTH AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING A TREMENDOUS LENEXA [INAUDIBLE]. VERY APPRECIATIVE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANKS, DAN COURTNEY.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO COMMENT ALSO, THIS BUILDING IS PRETTY.

I THINK IT MATCHES REALLY WELL.

I THINK IT FITS WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON HERE.

I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING SO WELL AND BRINGING MORE JOBS TO LENEXA.

MY QUESTION WAS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2,500, BUT WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING.

HOW MANY ARE WORKING REMOTELY? WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS ARE YOU LOOKING AT?

>> WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN REMOTE WORKERS.

KIEWIT DOES PROJECTS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THE GROUP THAT'S HERE LOCALLY IS OUR POWER SEGMENT, AND SO THEY FOCUS ON GENERATION, TRANSMISSION, RENEWABLES, ALL THINGS UNDER THE SUN, SO TO SPEAK, FROM A POWER PERSPECTIVE.

BUT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN TRUE REMOTE WORKERS IN THE SENSE THAT OUR WORK IS OFTEN IN LOCATIONS OTHER THAN [INAUDIBLE] CITY.

THIS IS OUR HOME OFFICES WHERE WE HELP OUT OF AND THIS IS WHERE ALL OF OUR ENGINEERING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION CALL HOME.

BUT WE SEND OUR EMPLOYEES OUT TO THE JOB VERY FREQUENTLY.

AND SO A TYPICAL PROJECT TEAM MIGHT BE OUT ON A PROJECT A FEW WEEKS OR FEW MONTHS OUT OF A YEAR AND THEN BACK AGAIN.

WE'RE OVERBUILT THE FIRST GO ROUND AND WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO RIGHT SIZE IT WITH THIS BUILDING RATHER THAN ABOUT 250 PARKING STALLS AND 800 SEATS SO WE THINK IT WILL BE RIGHT IN LINE.

ON ANY GIVEN DAY, WE'RE USING AT MAXIMUM, ABOUT 80% OF OUR TOTAL SEATS AS PARKING.

SO WE THINK WE'LL BE IN GOOD SHAPE.

NO WORK FROM HOME POLICY, IT'S ALL THINGS IN GEAR, BUT JUST VACATION TRAVEL, PTO, ETC.

IS WHERE WE BALANCE OUT.

>> WITH THAT I SAY, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> DAN? YOU ALREADY DO.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JULIE?

>> SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT THE SOLAR ARRAY WAS A MAYBE, WHAT WOULD BE THE TIPPING POINT TO DECIDE TO CONSTRUCT THAT OR NOT?

>> IT'S REALLY NOT A MAYBE.

IT'S GOING FORWARD.

GOOD QUESTION IS JUST HOW AND WHERE.

SO WE ARE RIGHT NOW EYEING A ROOFTOP SOLAR, WHICH NOBODY WILL EVER GET TO SEE ITS GLORY BUT ON THE ROOF OF THE BUILDINGS AS WELL.

AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY THE BIGGER ARRAY THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.

THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE DISTRIBUTE IT TO ALL THREE? AND SO WE'RE STILL IN THE MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL WORLD TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REDISTRIBUTE THAT POWER AND GENERATE IT.

WE ALSO PLAN A WHOLE ROW OF EV CHARGERS AND SO THE ULTIMATE GOAL WILL BE ABLE TO USE SOLAR POWER TO POWER THE VEHICLES THAT THEN WILL TAKE OUR EMPLOYEES OUT TO THE JOB.

THAT'S THE WHOLE CYCLE.

BUT IF YOU ASKED ME NOW, IT'S NOT A MAYBE IT'S A GO FORWARD.

IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW BIG AND IN WHAT CAPACITY IT GETS ASSEMBLED.

>> ANYONE ELSE? I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION THAT JULIE DID AND ENCOURAGE YOU.

I MEAN, IN THE POWER BUSINESS YOU PROBABLY WHERE WITH ALL THE STUFF YOU DO.

IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE PIECES AND FOR YOU TO EXHIBIT THAT RIGHT AT YOUR HEADQUARTERS IN A VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY COMMUNITY THAT'S WALKABLE AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO POWER ALTERNATIVES HERE AND THEN I'D SAY IT'S A SHOWCASE FOR US AND PROBABLY WE HAD TO ALSO, WHILE YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT, MENTIONED TO THE KIEWIT TEAM, THIS MARK PAYMENT EVER SINCE YOU'VE BEEN PARTNERING WITH US.

THANK YOU ON THAT AS WELL.

I THINK IT'S A GORGEOUS BUILDING FOR ARCHITECTS IN THE ROOM.

[INAUDIBLE] MAKE BUILDING FOR THAT MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE TO HAVE A PARTNER THERE.

THAT'S NOT JUST A REPLICA.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE TIED IT DOWN WITH THE STEP BACKS TO THE EXISTING 1 AND 2 AS THOUGH THIS WAS PLANNED THAT WAY FROM DAY 1.

THERE WERE FOUR BUILDINGS PLANNED, BUT THEY WEREN'T SIX STORY GLASS BUILDINGS.

THEY LOOKED MORE LIKE THE OTHER TWO AND AS YOU LOOK AT SOME CAMPUSES AROUND TOWN THEY LOOK MORE LIKE PRISONS AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CHARACTER.

I DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR,

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BUT I THINK THIS IS JUST VERY ATTRACTIVE AND WELL THOUGHT OUT AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH CHANGES THAT OCCUR OVER TIME.

SO THANKS TO THE ARCHITECTS AND KIEWIT FOR YOUR INVESTMENT. DAN.

>> I MEANT TO ASK THIS EARLIER, I FORGOT, I'M SORRY.

WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF BUILDING SOME TYPE OF GLASS WALKWAY BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS TO CONNECT THE BUILDINGS?

>> YES, THERE SO WAS.

SO IF YOU WANT BRING UP THAT PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT, YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR SLIDE DECK THAT SHOWS THE INTERIOR.

HOW YOU PROBABLY CONNECT BETWEEN THREE BUILDINGS.

THE IDEA IS TO CONNECT THE THREE, ALTHOUGH WALKWAYS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, AND THAT'S IN OUR PLAN [INAUDIBLE].

THE PLAN IS TO CONNECT FROM THE CORNER OF THE K2 BUILDING THERE WHERE IT TAKES HIDING RIGHT NOW, WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE AN EXIT OUT OF THAT BUILDING.

WE WILL MODIFY THE EXTERIOR THAT ENVELOPE THERE TO PUT AN EXIT DOOR.

YOU'LL THEN GO ACROSS THE STREET AND INTO THE K3 BUILDING AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THAT BUILDING.

YOU CAN TRANSIT THE ENTIRE BUILDING INSIDE AND SO IT JUST BECOMES A COVERED WALKWAY OF OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT ALSO A GATHERING SPACE AS A CAFE DOWN THERE AND SOME OTHER AMENITIES.

THEN BACK OUTSIDE AGAIN ACROSS THE SHORT FEW STEPS OVER TO THE KIEWIT. [INAUDIBLE]

>> THIS TIME I WANT TO TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAN FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING AND IS K3.

MOTION BY CRAIG, SECOND BY JOE, ALL IN FAVOR?

>> [OVERLAPPING] AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? CONGRATULATIONS OF ALAN AND FOR ME BEFORE THE MEETING, WE SHOULD PROBABLY ANTICIPATE A SEPTEMBER-ISH START AND EARLY 2025 OPENINGS.

LOTS OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THAT CITY CENTER IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

[OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ITEM NUMBER 10 IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTIONS 4,1B-24,

[10. Ordinance amending Sections 4-1-B-24, 4-3-B-7, and 4-3-B-24 of the City Code related to regulations for fences, walls, and retaining walls]

4,3-B7, AND 4,3B-24 OF THE CITY CODE, RELATED TO REGULATIONS FOR FENCES, WALLS, AND RETAINING WALLS. STEPHANIE

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

STEPHANIE KESSLER WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AGAIN.

THIS EVENING WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR FENCES, WALLS, AND RETAINING WALLS AND EVERYTHING THERE WITHIN THAT TOPIC.

JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROPOSED CODE WORD FOR WORD.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING SPECIFIC, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

BUT I'M GOING TO GO OVER SOME OF JUST THE HIGH POINTS IN VERY SUMMARY STYLE DETAIL.

WE DID REVIEW THE ENTIRE CODE SECTION RELATED TO FENCES, WALLS AND RETAINING WALLS, AND THE RELATED DEFINITIONS AS PART OF THIS.

IT REALLY STEMMED FROM AN INCREASE IN REQUESTS FOR CORNER LOT FENCES, AND BEING ABLE TO PLACE THOSE CLOSER TO THE STREET AND WE REALIZED WE NEEDED TO DO A WHOLESALE EVALUATION OF THE CODE.

THE CODE ALSO TOUCHED WALLS AND RETAINING WALLS TOO, SO WE BUNDLED THIS ALTOGETHER AND TRIED TO CLARIFY IT, AND BALANCE THE REGULATIONS WITH PRACTICALITY.

HOPEFULLY, WE'VE ACHIEVED SOMETHING THAT WILL REDUCE OUR REQUESTS FOR VARIANCES AND DEVIATIONS, BE MORE FRIENDLY TO RESIDENTS AND BE MORE CLEAR FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND STAFF MEMBERS WHEN ADMINISTRATING THE CODE.

THE FIRST HIGHLIGHT THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN DEPTH AFTER I GO THROUGH THE SUMMARY OF THESE HIGHLIGHTS IS ALLOWING CORNER LOT FENCES TO BE CLOSER TO THE STREET.

WE CALL THAT AREA ON A CORNER LOT, THE STREET SIDE, SIDE YARD.

YOU'LL HEAR THAT TERM AND SEE THAT IN SOME GRAPHICS AS WE GO THROUGH.

WE DO ALSO REVIEW THOSE FOR SAFETY ISSUES TOO.

WE'RE NOT JUST AUTOMATICALLY GRANTING THOSE WITHOUT FURTHER REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES WITH THAT.

THERE'S ALSO NEW REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO FENCES WHEN THEY'RE USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH RETAINING WALLS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A 20-FEET HIGH RETAINING WALL WITH A 10 FEET PRIVACY FENCE ON TOP SO YOU BASICALLY HAVE A MASSING OF 30 FEET ON OR ATTAINING, WELL, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO LIMIT THAT TO A 10 FOOT TOTAL.

I'LL SHOW YOU A GRAPHIC FOR THAT ONE.

SPEAKING OF 10 FEET, WE ARE INSTITUTING A 10 FEET TEARING REQUIREMENT FOR RETAINING WALLS.

GOING FORWARD, YOU'LL HAVE TO INSTALL RETAINING WALLS IN 10 FEET SECTIONS, OR LESS THAN 10 FEET SECTIONS.

AGAIN, WE DON'T GET THAT MASSING OF ONE SOLID WALL THAT'S SPANNING MORE THAN 10 FEET.

THIS CODE ALSO REVISES THE DEVIATION PROCESS.

PREVIOUSLY, IF THERE WAS AN APPEAL TO A DECISION, IT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

BUT WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO INSTEAD GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.

THAT WAY IT'LL TAKE IT THROUGH AN ACTUAL APPEAL PROCESS WITH AN APPEAL RELATED BOARD.

LASTLY, IT INCLUDES A NEW TABLE AND GRAPHICS TO MAKE THE CODE SIMPLER TO UNDERSTAND.

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SPEAKING FIRST ABOUT CORNER LOT FENCES.

THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, THE TOPIC THAT DROVE THIS AMENDMENT PRIMARILY.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THE CURRENT CODE ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN.

THE FENCE IS DELINEATED WITH A RED LINE, AND IT SHOWS A ROUGHLY 25 FEET SETBACK THERE ON THE GRAPHIC.

THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT OUR CODE ALLOWS RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN HAVE ANY STYLE OF FENCE PRIVACY OR OPEN, FOUR FEET TO SIX FEET TALL IN THAT LOCATION.

LET ME GET MY MOUSE HERE.

THIS AREA HERE THAT YOU SEE WITH A LIGHT HATCH IS WHAT WE CALL THE STREET SIDE, SIDE YARD.

IT'S BASICALLY A FRONT YARD ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

IN THE NEW CODE, YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE PROPOSED CODE SHOWS THE FENCE LOCATION IN THE PURPLE DASHED LINE.

THAT'S TO SHOW YOU PRIMARILY THAT THAT WOULD BE AN OPEN STYLE FENCE, AND THAT WOULD BE 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE INSTEAD OF 25.

>> CAN WE STOP HERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THESE AS THEY GO BY.

THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR CONCERNS ME.

IF I'M THE OWNER OF THE HOME ON THE TOP OF THE GRAPH FEED RIGHT NOW, AND I'M USED TO SITTING IN WHAT USED TO BE MY DINING ROOM BY THE FRONT DOOR, PROBABLY AN OFFICE OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT NOW.

BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN MY VIEW, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT MY WINDOWS, AND SEEING GREEN SPACE DOWN TOWARDS THE CORNER OR WHATEVER, WITH THIS PROPOSAL, I NOW HAVE A FENCE THERE.

I DREW MY OWN RENDERING ON PAGE 71, AND 15 FEET MAKES IT SIMPLE.

BUT I'M NOT SURE I WOULD WANT TO BE THE NEIGHBOR THAT HAD DEFENSE AND THE BARRACK GO UP OUT TO MY FRONT YARD, AND MY VIEW VERSUS TO THE FRONT OF MY RESIDENCE AT LEAST, THAT GETS MORE SPACE IN MANY CASES, BUT NOT CLEAR OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORS FRONT YARD.

HOW DO WE DO THAT OR WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS ON SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE THAT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST 15 FEET, BUT RIGHT INTO THERE, THIS FENCE WOULD NOT BE IN FRONT OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS FRONT LINE OF THEIR HOME.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT?

>> YEAH. WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS SITUATION QUITE A BIT.

THIS WOULD BE AN AREA THAT I WOULD CONSIDER A PERPENDICULAR LOT RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE LOT FACING THIS WAY AND YOUR CORNER LOT FACING THIS WAY.

IT'S A LOT EASIER WHEN THEY'RE BOTH PARALLEL, AND THEN YOUR FENCES WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE ABLE TO LINE UP, WOULDN'T BE LOOKING OUT AT THAT VIEW.

I WILL SAY WE CHOSE 15 FEET AS THE SETBACK FOR FENCES IN THE NEW CODE BECAUSE THERE'S TYPICALLY A PLOTTED 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE EASEMENT ALONG ALL THE FRONTS OF PROPERTIES.

THERE'S ALREADY A NO BUILD ZONE, IF YOU WILL, IN THAT 15 FEET.

WE DO ALSO HAVE A LOT OF NON-CONFORMITIES WITH THESE.

THAT MEANS PEOPLE HAVE INSTALLED FENCES WITHIN THE 15 FEET OR CLOSER THAN CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS.

BY LEGALIZING ESSENTIALLY THE 15 FOOT SETBACK, WE WOULD BE BRINGING A LOT OF THOSE INTO CONFORMITY AS WELL.

>> I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROBLEM TO WRITE THE CODE DEFECTS, THE FITS THE PROBLEM IS THE APPROACH I WOULD WANT TO TAKE.

AGAIN IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S NOT AS CLEAR ON YOUR SLIDE AS IT IS IN OUR PACKET.

EVEN IF THE DRIVEWAY WERE ON THE ADJACENT SIDE, THEN YOU HAVE A GARAGE DOOR AND A DRIVEWAY WITH A FENCE.

NOT QUITE SO ANNOYING.

BUT THESE ARE GOING TO BE ADDED IN MANY CASES AFTER HOMEOWNERS HAVE MOVED IN AND HAVE ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES AS OPPOSED TO BEFORE.

IF YOU BUY THE HOUSE AND THE FENCE IS THERE, THAT'S ONE THING.

BUT IF I'VE BEEN THERE A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND SOMEBODY NEW MOVES IN AND WANTS TO BUILD A FENCE NOW OUT, ALL SUDDEN, I LIVE IN A ENCLAVE AS WELL BECAUSE OF THAT FENCE GOING OUT INTO THE FRONT YARD.

I JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

>> MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THE DISCUSSION.

[NOISE] IT REALLY WAS A COMPETING VALUES DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD THE WAY THE CODE READS NOW FOR CORNER LOTS, THOSE OWNERS CAN ONLY FENCE IN A PORTION, A SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER PORTION OF THEIR YARD THAN SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE A CORNER LOT.

THAT'S ONE VALUE THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS.

WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE ISSUE YOU RAISED TOO ABOUT THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.

FIFTEEN FEET DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINES, SO IT STILL LEAVES THAT SETBACK THAT PROVIDES SOME AMOUNT OF SITE DISTANCE OUT OF DRIVEWAYS, AND VIEW AT A FRONT YARD SPACES LIKE PORCHES AND ROOMS ON THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE.

WE JUST TRY TO BALANCE ALL OF THOSE COMPETING ISSUES INTO THIS CODE.

THERE ARE SOME WAYS TO GET IT THAT IF YOU, I THINK WE TALKED AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL ABOUT IF YOU CAN USE YOUR POINTER DIAGONAL THAT BACK CORNER,

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FOR EXAMPLE, DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE VIEW OUT OF THAT LOT, FOR EXAMPLE.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO STRIKE THE BALANCE.

I WILL SAY OUR EXPERIENCE WITH ALL THE NON-CONFORMITIES THAT WE HAVE, WE DON'T TYPICALLY HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBOR ABOUT THEIR VIEW OUT OF IT, BUT WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT THE DESIRE TO FENCE IN MORE YARD IF THEY HAVE A CORNER LOT AND THAT THAT CURRENT SETBACK OF 25 FEET BACK IS JUST TOO RESTRICTIVE.

[BACKGROUND] [OVERLAPPING]

>> IT IS. I HAVEN'T TOUCHED THE BUTTON. THE GREEN LIGHTS ON.

WHAT'S A TYPICAL LOT SETBACK FROM THE CURB AND HOW MUCH FANCIER THAN A PROJECT FROM MY UPPER YARD, OUT TOWARD THE STREET.

THERE'S A MAGIC LINE HERE, BUT IT DOESN'T TELL ME.

IS IT TAKEN UP TWO-THIRDS OF THAT SOUTH SIDE OF THAT ADJACENCY OR TWO FEET OR I'M JUST EXCITED ABOUT A BIG SITS FOR WOODEN FENCE PROJECTING OUT INTO SOMEONE'S YARD.

>> IT PERHAPS YOU WILL CHANGE.

>> YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW IT IN THE NEIGHBOR IF THEY WEREN'T ON A CORNER LOT.

THE FENCE IS TYPICALLY COME UP MID SIDE OF THE HOUSE OR MAYBE TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ALLOW IT TO GO BEYOND THAT.

AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING TO ARGUE ON THIS ONE, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE AN ARCHITECT OVER HERE.

TELL ME WHY I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S OKAY. I'M JUST CONCERNED.

>> HOW ABOUT I TELL YOU YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT LET'S RUN THE GROUND RULES A LITTLE BIT.

IF YOU LOOK REAL CLOSE, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE IS A CURB AND THEN THERE'S SOME GRASS AND THEN THERE'S A SIDEWALK, AND USUALLY THE SETBACK IS FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHICH IS NORMALLY SOMETIMES ONE FOOT BEHIND THE SIDEWALK.

THE CITY HAS CONTROL FROM THE SIDEWALK AND THE GAP AND THE CURVE, AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

BUT THEN NORMALLY IT DEPENDS WHAT SUBDIVISION YOU'RE IN.

BUT LET'S JUST SAY THE HOUSE ON THE NORTH IS 30 FEET BACK, WHICH IS ENOUGH ROOM TO PARK A CAR WITHOUT BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK.

THEN NOW WE'RE INTO YOUR DILEMMA.

NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ESTABLISHED, THAT'S WHERE THE DIMENSIONS COME FROM, AND IT DOES SEEM AWKWARD THAT ONE PERSON SIDE YARD IS ANOTHER ONE'S FRONT YARD SETBACK, AND WHAT'S THE EQUITY IN THAT? I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT'S BEING ASKED RIGHT NOW.

BECAUSE THE CITY IS IN A POSITION OF REGULATING THIS AND FENCE PERMITS ARE SEPARATE AND THEY USUALLY DO NOT COME WITH THE HOUSE.

THEY COME LATER AS STATED, SO THIS IS A TOUGH ONE IF I AGREE WITH YOU, IF I WAS A HOUSE ON THE NORTH, I REALLY DON'T CARE TO LOOK AT A SCREENING FENCE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER FENCES.

THERE'S WROUGHT IRON, THERE'S POST AND BEAM TYPE FENCES AND RAILINGS, FENCES BUT I THINK MOST FENCES THAT WE SEE IN NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT NOW ARE THE SCREENING FENCES, SO NOT MY FAVORITE FENCE, BUT THEY DO HAVE A VALUE.

>> IF WE ALLOW THIS, WOULD WE ALLOW THAT HOMEOWNER TO THE NORTH TO PUT IT, I'M GOING TO SAY THE NORTH UPSIDE, WOULD WE ALLOW THEM TO PUT A FENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE OUT TO 15 FEET FROM THE CURB OR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BECAUSE THAT WOULD LOOK REALLY AWKWARD AND THEN IMPACTS THE NEXT NEIGHBORS.

AGAIN, YOU BUY THE CORNER LOT, YOU KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE.

YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE, YOU BOUGHT THE LOT, YOU PUT YOUR FENCE UP WITHIN SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T IMPOSE ON YOUR NEIGHBOR.

I UNDERSTAND THAT CONSIDERATION FOR THE CORNER LOT PURCHASER.

BUT WHERE'S THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE NEXT DOOR? WHO HAS NO CONTROL OVER THAT?

>> I THINK IT'S WHETHER THIS IS A BALANCE OF THOSE INTERESTS, SO THAT ALLOWING A LITTLE BIT.

>> AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH A LITTLE BIT IS THOUGH FROM BACK OF SIDEWALK AND ONE FOOT BACK TO THAT HOUSE LINE.

>> IT'S TYPICALLY THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 25 FEET, SO IT'S A 10 FOOT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHERE THE FENCE WOULD BE TO WHERE THEY COULD BUILD THEIR FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.

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>> I'LL SAY TOO OFTENTIMES, CORNER LOTS WILL GET PLOTTED WITH 25 IN THE TRUE FRONT AND A 20 FOOT SETBACK ON THEIR STREET SIDE, SIDE YARD, SO THE HOUSE COULD BE AT A 20 FOOT SETBACK, AND SO THIS WOULD ONLY BE A FIVE FOOT DIFFERENCE.

WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER GRAPHICS TO SHOW, AS WELL AS SOME PHOTOS.

>> WE'RE NOT, DAN.

>> CLARIFICATIONS, SO IN THE PROPOSAL, YOU SEE THE OPEN FENCE.

ARE YOU SAYING IT COULD BE SIX FOOT OR ARE YOU SAYING IT SHOULD BE A FOUR FOOT?

>> WE'RE GOING TO ADD MORE TO THAT DISCUSSION IN A MINUTE, COUNCIL MEMBER.

>> BECAUSE TO ME, A SIX VERSUS FOUR, HAVING FOUR IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SIX AND FOUR REUSABILITY.

>> KEEP GOING.

>> ON OUR NEXT SLIDE HERE, I COMBINE THOSE TWO GRAPHICS SO YOU CAN SEE THEM SIDE-BY-SIDE IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE VISUALLY THAT IT WAS WELL UNDERSTOOD.

THIS IS THE GRAPHIC THAT IS USED IN THE CODE ITSELF, AND THIS IS TO SHOW SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SPECIFICALLY TOOK ISSUE WITH AND THAT WAS PRIVACY VERSUS OPEN AND THE FENCE BEING CONNECTED AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE VERSUS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, SO IT WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DIRECTION THAT IF IT WANTED TO BE A PRIVACY FENCE, THAT IT NEEDED TO CONNECT AT THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE.

I'LL TELL YOU JUST LOOKING AT SOME AERIAL IMAGES, HOMES ARE NOT ALWAYS SHAPED THIS NICELY AND EASILY TO DEPICT WHERE THE BACK CORNER IS AND THE MOST SENSIBLE LOCATION IS.

BUT THE INTENT IS THAT IT DOESN'T ATTACH CLOSER.

IF THEY WANT IT TO ATTACH TO THE FRONT OF THE HOME IN THIS LOCATION HERE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OPEN STYLE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REVISIONS THAT STAFF MADE BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAGE AND WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER ROH, THOSE WOULD BE SIX FOOT TALL FENCE ALLOWED IN BOTH CIRCUMSTANCES.

>> I HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF DIFFERENT FENCING AND SOME AERIAL IMAGES AS WELL WE CAN LOOK AT, AND THEN I ALSO VERY ROUGHLY DREW IN SOME POTENTIAL FENCE LOCATIONS ON SOME OF THESE IMAGES.

THIS ONE HERE YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT I BELIEVE IS A SIX-FOOT TALL OPEN STYLE FENCE AND A SIX-FOOT TALL VINYL FENCE.

THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE OPEN STYLE FENCE ANGLE, AND THIS ONE IS FROM THE PRIVACY FENCE, THE VINYL FENCE THERE.

THIS ONE WOULD BE A NON-CONFORMING FENCE.

IT WAS INSTALLED IN A LOCATION THAT WAS NOT APPROVED, AND IT WAS ALSO INSTALLED TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE HERE, AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE TO SHOW YOU MAYBE WHY THE PLANNING COMMISSION LIKES THE IDEA OF AN OPEN STYLE FENCE LOOKING FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE RATHER THAN A PRIVACY.

NOW WE'VE GOT SOME CORNER LOTS, MAYOR BOEHM I THINK THIS IS YOUR IDEAL SCENARIO ON A CORNER LOT THAT MEETS UP WITH A PERPENDICULAR LOT.

THIS YOU DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN WHERE SOMEONE ON THE CORNER LOT ACTUALLY OPTED TO CONNECT BACK TO WHERE THEIR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS FENCE IS, SO THAT WAY THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO IMPACT FROM THEIR FENCE TO THIS NEIGHBOR HERE.

HOWEVER, THEIR FENCE COULD GO ROUGHLY OUT TO HERE WITH THE PROPOSED CODE, AND WITH THE EXISTING CODE, IT COULD ALSO COME OUT TO ABOUT WHERE THESE HOMES LINEUP.

>> IN THE NORTH SIDE IF NORTH IS UP.

>> HERE IN THE PURPLE LINE WOULD BE IF IT WAS AN OPEN STYLE FENCE, IT COULD CONNECT TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE HERE AND THEN THIS WOULD BE OPEN STYLE ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT.

>> BUT THE NORTH FENCE, HOW FAR CAN IT COME OUT TOWARDS THE STREET? NOT THE SOUTH WHERE YOU'RE DRAWING NOW, WHAT CAN I DO ON THE NORTH SIDE?

>> UP HERE?

>> IF THAT WERE A FENCE, HOW FAR FORWARD YOU NEED TO COME NOW WITH THE NEW PROPOSAL.

>> THIS IS THE INTERIOR SIDE OF LOT.

>> TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE ALLOWED TODAY.

>> WITH THE FENCE HERE?

>> YOU'VE ADDRESSED THE CONCERN HERE AND FRANKLY, THEY DID A NICE JOB BY GOING BACK TO THE FENCE.

BUT THAT LINE JUST ABOVE YOUR ARROW, IF THAT'S A FENCE COULD NOW WITH THE NEW CODE COME OUT TO WITHIN 15 FEET OF THE STREET?

>> NO, SIR. THIS IS JUST ON THE STREET SIDE SIDE YARD.

>> IT'S ON THE STREETS SIDE.

>> YES

>> YES. THIS IS ONLY AFFECTING BASICALLY, WHAT IS YOUR SECONDARY FRONT YARD WITHIN YOUR LOT.

>> IF THEY COME TO THE OTHER CORNER OF THE HOUSE, CORRECT? TO THE NORTH?

>> THIS ONE, YES, COULD COME ALL THE WAY UP TO HERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING?

>> IF IT'S OPEN.

>> THIS SIDE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE IT TO BE OPEN HERE.

WE WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD MATCH THIS SIDE JUST SO IT LOOKS CONSISTENT.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE CODE THAT REGULATES THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE FENCE MATERIALS RIGHT NOW.

THE OPEN STYLE REGULATION WAS REALLY JUST WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO SEE FROM A FRONT VIEW OF A CORNER LOT.

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BASICALLY WHERE THE TWO STREETS INTERSECT, MAKING THAT LOOK MORE OPEN.

I'VE GOT SEVERAL MORE IN HERE.

>> I ATTENDED.

>> HERE'S AN INTERESTING ONE, CUL-DE-SAC ARE ALWAYS FUN WITH FENCES TOO.

I DID BOTH SIDES HERE, THE ALDEN AND THE 83RD PLACE.

THIS FENCE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE ABLE TO COME OUT TO APPROXIMATELY THIS RED LINE, AND THIS ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

YOU CAN SEE, EVEN WITH THE EXISTING CONDITION AND ALIGNING WITH THE HOME, THE WAY THAT THIS HOUSE WAS ORIENTED AND SETBACK.

IT'S STILL GOING TO HAVE FENCE VIEW SOMEWHAT IN THE FRONT YARD, AND UNFORTUNATELY JUST THE WAY THAT LOTS ARE PLOTTED, SOMETIMES THAT'S JUST HOW THE LOTS LAYOUT AND HOW THE FENCES LAYOUT.

YOU CAN SEE HERE TOO, IF THEY WANTED TO DO THE OPEN STYLE, IT COULD GO UP TO WHERE THEIR DRIVEWAY IS.

>> JENNIFER, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT STREET SIDE FENCING AND IN THIS SCENARIO THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S INTERIOR, OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

>> ALDEN HAS [INAUDIBLE]

>> ALDEN HAS THIS STREETS ADJACENT TO HERE.

>> WHAT DEFINES FRONT AND STREET SIDE, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS AND WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS?

>> SOMETIMES WE LOOK AT ADDRESSING, AND TYPICALLY IN LENEXA WE HAVE VERY GOOD CONSISTENT ADDRESSING, WHERE THE FRONT IS GOING TO BE WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS AND WHERE THE ADDRESS IS OFF OF.

IN SOME COMMUNITIES WHERE WE HAVE REALLY STRANGE SHAPE LOTS OR MAYBE SOMETHING CHANGED OVER TIME WITH THE WAY THE HOME WAS BUILT AND THEY REMODELED AND SWITCH THE FRONT DOOR TO ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.

WE WILL LOOK AT THOSE AT A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AND MAKE OUR BEST JUDGMENT.

BUT TYPICALLY, I WOULD SAY 95% OF THE TIME IT'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

>> THANK YOU.

>> HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A FENCE.

THIS ONE IS ALSO A NON-CONFORMING FENCE.

YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SHADOW, IT'S PRIVACY STYLE AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A STREET, VIEW OF THAT ONE AS WELL, BUT IN THIS RELATIONSHIP IT IS MORE PARALLEL RATHER THAN PERPENDICULAR.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET, HERE IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOES NOT HAVE A FENCE ADJACENT AND WHAT THAT PRIVACY STYLE FENCE LOOKS LIKE AS IT COMES RIGHT UP TO BASICALLY WHAT IS THEIR PROPERTY LINE.

WE WOULD NOT BE PROPOSING THAT, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE A 15 FOOT SETBACK HERE, HOWEVER, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE PRIVACY FOR THE PROPOSED CODE.

NOW, ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE ANOTHER PARALLEL LOT TYPE RELATIONSHIP AND THIS WOULD BE THE POTENTIAL PRIVACY FENCE LOCATION IN RED FOR BOTH OF THOSE AND THE POTENTIAL OPEN STYLE IN THE PURPLE LINE.

>> I WOULD WANT TO CLARIFY WHEN WE SAY OPEN STYLE, THE ENTIRE FENCE LINE WOULD HAVE TO BE OPEN.

IT CAN'T GO PRIVACY UP TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THEN OPEN FOR THE REST OF IT, SO IT WAS TO REDUCE THE FEELING OF A CLOSED CORRIDOR AS WE MOVE THE FENCE CLOSER TO THE STREET, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S THAT MUCH FENCE ALONG THE SIDE YARD, IT WOULD BE OPEN STYLE VERSUS CLOSED.

>> SCOTT, WHEN YOU WERE DOING THIS TO STEPHANIE, DID YOU CONSIDER A FOUR-FOOT FENCE VERSUS SIX?

>> I THINK, ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE, BUT BECAUSE THE SIX-FOOT TALL PRIVACY IS A POPULAR FENCE STYLE WITH CITIZENS THAT'S WHERE WE PROPOSED IT.

>> OKAY. I'M JUST SUGGESTING WHEN YOU GO TO THE OPEN ROUTE, THE SIX-FOOT LOSES AN AWFUL LOT OF ITS PRIVACY, YOU MIGHT ADDRESS SOME OF THESE FEW QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THE LOWER FENCE VERSUS THE UPPER FENCE.

>> YEAH. ONE OF THE SPEAKER, AMANDA WILLIAMS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SHE MAY SPEAK HERE TONIGHT, MENTIONED HER HOA REQUIRES I THINK THE SHORTER OR THE OPEN STYLE.

SO A LOT OF HOAS, REMEMBER, GET TO PROVIDE INPUT ON THIS TOPIC AS WELL.

>> HAVE A FEW MORE. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER PARALLEL TYPE RELATIONSHIP AND ACTUALLY, FOR THIS ONE I WANTED TO POINT OUT, SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE SIDEWALK ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET, THIS IS ALREADY AT ACTUALLY ABOUT A 10-FOOT SETBACK.

IT SHOULD BE ACTUALLY SET BACK ABOUT FIVE MORE FEET, BUT THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE YOU SHOULD EXPECT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE SIDEWALK TO SHOW YOU THAT PROXIMITY.

HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE AND THIS SHOWS PRIVACY ALL THE WAY ALONG IN THIS PARALLEL RELATIONSHIP HERE.

HERE'S WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET VIEW.

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THIS IS PROBABLY ONLY SETBACK ABOUT FIVE-FEET ROUGHLY AND YOU CAN SEE THAT JUST FORMS THIS AESTHETIC OF BARRIER AT THAT SETBACK AND DOESN'T LEAVE A LOT OF ROOM FOR GREEN SPACE TO BUFFER FROM THAT FENCE.

HERE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF ONE SIDE THAT HAS A FOUR-FOOT OPEN STYLE FENCE AND THEN A SIX-FOOT PRIVACY.

HERE'S THE VIEW FROM BOTH SIDES OF THAT SCENARIO AND THIS IS THE LOOK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE BY REQUIRING THE OPEN STYLE IF IT'S MORE FORWARD ON THE HOUSE, IT DOES JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT GREEN OPEN TYPE FEELING ALONG THE STREET.

BUT THESE ARE ROUGHLY SETBACK, PROBABLY ABOUT THAT 15-FOOT MARK, SO THIS IS MORE OF WHAT YOU COULD SEE POTENTIALLY.

THIS WOULD BE CLOSE TO BEING IN COMPLIANCE.

THE PROPOSED CODE WOULD JUST PUSH THIS BACK TO THE CORNER RATHER THAN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE.

THEN SPEAKING OF FENCING, THIS ISN'T QUITE A CORNER LOT ISSUE, BUT I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT IN THE CODE WE TALK ABOUT FENCES NOT BEING ALLOWED TYPICALLY IN LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.

IF YOU RECALL, I MENTIONED THERE'S A 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE EASEMENT.

WE OFTEN HAVE LANDSCAPE TRACKS AROUND SUBDIVISIONS AS WELL TO PROVIDE BUFFERING.

THERE ARE CERTAIN SCENARIOS WHERE A DECORATIVE FENCE IS ALLOWED WITHIN LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.

YOU CAN SEE THIS EXAMPLE HERE.

THERE'S REALLY NOT ACTUALLY ANYTHING BEING ENCLOSED AND THAT'S MORE OF FORMING AN AESTHETIC BARRIER THAN AN ACTUAL ENCLOSED AREA, SO I WANTED TO SHOW AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FENCES AS THEY ALIGN ALONG THE STREET.

I ALSO WANTED TO SHOW MS. WILLIAM'S EXAMPLE.

AS SCOTT MENTIONED, SHE SPOKE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND SHE WOULD ACTUALLY SUBMITTED A FENCE APPEAL LAST YEAR, SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HER PROPERTY AND SHOW YOU THE SCENARIO, HOW IT WOULD PLAY OUT ON HER SPECIFIC PROPERTY.

I APOLOGIZE THAT AREA WAS NOT UP-TO-DATE ENOUGH, SO THERE'LL BE SOME PRETTY PICTURES HERE TO SHOW IT MORE CLEARLY.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT AND THE GREEN, THAT'S THE 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE EASEMENT THAT WAS PLANTED.

LIKE I SAID, THAT'S A BUILT-IN, NO BUILD ZONE, IF YOU WILL.

A POTENTIAL OPEN STYLE FENCE COULD GO WHERE YOU SEE THE BLUE LINE AND TYPICALLY, THE CODE WOULD ALLOW THE RED LINE FOR OFFENSE.

IN THIS SCENARIO, IT'S ABOUT A FIVE-FOOT DIFFERENCE HERE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT RELATIONSHIP TO THE LOT BEHIND IT WITH THE BLUE LINE.

IT DOES CUT IN FRONT OF THIS HOUSE.

HOWEVER, THE WAY THAT THIS LOT IS LAID OUT THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT LOOKING RIGHT AT THAT FENCE AS YOU WOULD IF THE STREET WERE NOT CURVED, AND I DREW THAT IN YELLOW THERE, THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR FENCE.

IT WOULDN'T MATCH UP WITH THE RED NECESSARILY ANY WAY AT THE CORNER; HER CODE.

HERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THAT WITH ALL OF THE RELATIVE DIMENSIONS.

AS COUNCILMAN NOLTE NOTED, THERE IS SPACING BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE PROPERTY LINE.

I ESTIMATED THAT AT ABOUT 13-FEET FROM CURB TO PROPERTY LINE, USUALLY THERE'S ABOUT A FIVE-FOOT STRIP OF GRASS HERE, FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK, AND MAYBE A FOOT OR SO OF BUFFER BETWEEN THAT SIDEWALK AND PROPERTY LINE.

I'LL PUT AN ASTERISK ON THAT STATEMENT BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN SUBDIVISIONS.

>> STEPHANIE, WOULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE?

>> OH, SORRY.

>> SO WE'RE THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS, THE YELLOW LINE IS THAT'S STILL NOT GOING TO MATCH UP, RIGHT?

>> CORRECT.

>> STILL UP BY LIKE 10 OR 15 FEET?

>> UNFORTUNATELY, FENCES ARE NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU CAN GET PERFECT ON EVERY LOT AND THIS IS OUR ATTEMPT TO TRY AND MAKE IT VERY RESIDENT FRIENDLY AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE COULD ADMINISTRATE THE CODE SOMEWHAT SIMPLY.

>> STEPHANIE, IN THIS PICTURE, THE BLUE THAT WOULD BE OPEN?

>> YES, THE BLUE WOULD BE OPEN BECAUSE IT'S SHOWING CONNECTING AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE HERE.

THE BLUE COULD ALSO CONNECT AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE HERE.

THINK OF WHERE YOU SEE THE RED ENDING HERE, BUT GOING OUT TO THE BLUE IF IT WERE PRIVACY.

THIS PARTICULAR HOA WOULD NOT ALLOW PRIVACY THOUGH.

>> OKAY. IF THEY DID, WOULD THAT BE REQUIRED TO BE OPEN IF YOU'RE CONNECTED TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE?

>> NO.

>> OKAY. THE RED IN THIS PICTURE COULD BE PRIVACY?

>> CORRECT.

>> OKAY.

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>> AFTER THESE SLIDES, I DO MOVE ON TO RETAINING WALL DISCUSSION.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT CORNER LOT FENCES, WE CAN DO THAT.

>> TOM.

>> WELL, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS A SURVEYOR BEFORE HE WAS ANYTHING ELSE.

HIS COMMENT WAS, "THE TRANQUILITY OF THE COUNTRYSIDE IS BASED ON THE ACCURACY OF THE SURVEY." WELL, I'D ALSO HAVE TO SAY THAT FENCES AND NEIGHBORS, YOU COULD REALLY CAUSE A LOT OF ANGST IN A NEIGHBORHOOD IF WE DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THIS CLOSELY.

BECAUSE I COULD EASILY SEE HOW SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS WOULD AFFECT THE NEIGHBOR A LOT AS YOU POINTED OUT, MAYOR.

THEY HAD A VIEW AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT GOES AWAY TO LOOK AT A PRIVACY FENCE.

MY CONCERN THOUGH IS I DON'T THINK WE CAN CREATE THE PERFECT FORMULA, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE STAFF. WE TRUST THEM.

NOT EVERYTHING'S IN THE BOOK.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE TO THINK, AND I THINK WE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE THAT THINK HERE, SO I HAVE A LOT OF TRUST IN THAT.

WHAT I DON'T LIKE TO THINK ABOUT IN THIS SCENARIO IS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FENCE.

WE HAVE HIGH WINDS AND THOSE ROTTEN POSTS LIKE TO BREAK AND BEND OVER AND WE HAVE ALL ISSUES.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE CAN CONTROL WHERE THE FENCE GOES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY HOW IT LOOKS.

TO ME AS A NEIGHBOR, IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REALLY DID NOT DO WELL AT TAKING CARE OF THEIR FENCE, IT AFFECTS EVERYONE.

THE MAINTENANCE IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME MORE THAN THE LOCATION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY ADDRESS THAT NOR DO I EXPECT TO TONIGHT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT HAS MORE OF AN EFFECT, I THINK ON EVERYONE, A POOR FENCE OR A FENCE THAT'S NOT MAINTAINED OR FALLING DOWN IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE TOO, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE FENCES WILL NEED TO BE MAINTAINED.

>> COURTNEY.

>> JUST A QUESTION. BECAUSE I THINK I KNOW WHERE I WANT TO GO WITH THIS.

CURRENTLY, IF YOU HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE, IT HAS TO GO ONLY ON THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE OR CAN IT GO IN THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE?

>> IT CAN GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FRONT PROVIDED THAT IT'S WITHIN THE REQUIRED SETBACK AREA.

>> IF WE CHANGE THE SETBACK AREA THAT WE NO LONGER WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THE PRIVACY FENCE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

>> CORRECT.

>> THE ONLY PROBLEM I SEE WITH THIS IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO USE THAT LITTLE SIDE PRIVACY FOR THEIR TRASH CANS.

THEY USE IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE SPACE IN THEIR GARAGE, ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, WHERE THAT SIDE YARD THEN BECOMES THE PLACE WHERE THEY CAN'T KEEP THEIR TRASH CANS IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT SCREENED.

IF WE TAKE AWAY THE PRIVACY FENCE ON THAT FRONT SIDE, EVEN IN THAT LITTLE SPACE, IT TAKES AWAY FROM THEM HAULING THEIR TRASH CANS ALL THE WAY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

OR WE CHANGE THAT CODE.

MEANING THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGER ISSUES THAT I NOTICED IN DOING THAT.

I THINK THE OTHER THING WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY'S CALLING BECAUSE THEY WANT THE CORNER LOTS AND THE SIDE YARDS TO BE DIFFERENT.

I THINK WE'RE NOT HEARING FROM THE OTHER NEIGHBORS BECAUSE IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.

WE'RE NOT HEARING THEY BLOCKED MY VIEW STUFF UNTIL WE SEE MORE OF THIS BEING CONFORMING.

ARE WE GETTING SO MANY OF THESE THAT WE CAN'T DO THEM BY CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

>> I THINK WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE IS A CODE CHANGE THAT CAN HELP ADMINISTRATE A FAIR POLICY RATHER THAN DOING IT ALL CASE-BY-CASE.

OBVIOUSLY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A FENCE PERMIT STANDPOINT AND WE MAKE A DECISION THAT THE APPLICANT OR HOMEOWNER DOESN'T AGREE WITH, THEY CAN APPEAL THAT DECISION ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AS WELL.

THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION.

BUT I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME CONSISTENCY AND SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EASILY ADMINISTRATE.

SINCE WE RECEIVE A LOT OF REQUESTS AND FEEDBACK, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CORNER LOT OWNERS WANTS.

THIS IS WHY YOU SEE THIS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD THIS MANNER.

>> I THINK THAT MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT WE'RE TAKING AWAY THAT OPTION FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT SCREENING RIGHT AT THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSES.

I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME WAY FOR US TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE

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JUST SO THAT WE'RE BEING MINDFUL AND EQUITABLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THAT STORAGE.

>> THEY COULD SCREEN WITH LANDSCAPING TO THAT'S AN OPTION.

IT'S PROBABLY MORE MAINTENANCE AND COULD BE MORE COSTLY DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU CHOOSE.

BUT I DO SEE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SCREEN THOSE.

I WILL NOTE TOO, IF THEY'RE NOT CONNECTING THEIR FENCE AT THE FRONT OF THE HOME, THEN THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT USING THAT AREA FOR THE TRASH ENCLOSURE TOO.

THAT COULD BE A CASE-BY-CASE SCENARIO TO LOOK AT FOR TRASH SCREENING PURPOSES, POTENTIALLY.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER I SHOULD CLARIFY, WE DON'T REQUIRE TRASH CANS TO BE SCREENED.

THEY JUST HAVE TO BE BEHIND THE FRONT BUILDING LINE.

>> I THINK THE HOA REQUIREMENTS, BUT.

>> THAT COULD BE. THAT'S NOT A CITY CODE REQUIREMENT.

>> JOE.

>> A QUESTION AND A COMMENT. FIRST, A COMMENT.

I LIKED THE CODE THE WAY IT IS.

I CERTAINLY DO LIKE THE OPEN FENCE WHENEVER WE CAN DO THAT.

I THINK THAT'S PREFERRED TO A PRIVACY FENCE, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THE PROPOSED CHANGE MAKES IT LOOK MORE LIKE A FOURT THAN A HOME.

I JUST THINK IT REALLY CAN DETRACT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY THE DESIRE FOR THAT IF YOU'RE A CORNER LOT OWNER.

BUT I'M NOT TERRIBLY IMPRESSED OR NOT TERRIBLY IN FAVOR OF THAT.

AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO APPROVING A DEVIATION, SO RIGHT NOW I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT CHANGE.

THEN THE QUESTION YOU SHOWED SOME NON-CONFORMING FENCES.

WERE THOSE FENCES PUT UP, WAS THAT A PRE-EXISTING NONCONFORMING OR IS THAT TRULY NON-CONFORMING AT THE TIME IT WAS INSTALLED OR DO WE KNOW?

>> I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.

AS I WAS LOOKING AT THESE, I WAS COMPARING SOME PERMITS AS WELL TO SEE HOW THINGS WERE APPROVED.

WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

WE HAVE SOME THAT WERE INSTALLED WITHOUT PERMITS AND WE HAVE NO RECORD OF THEM.

WE HAVE SOME THAT DIDN'T INSTALL PER THE APPROVED PLAN WITH THEIR FENCE PERMIT.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS CLEAR HOW THEY CAME TO BE THE WAY THAT THEY ARE.

>> I GUESS THE NEXT QUESTION THEN IS, DO WE TAKE ACTION IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE?

>> CURRENTLY WE ARE PROACTIVELY INSPECTING AFTER NEW FENCE PERMITS.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT GONE BACK TO INSPECT OLDER PERMITS.

ANOTHER PART OF THIS DISCOVERY AND REVIEW OFFENSE CODE HAS PROMPTED US TO SCHEDULE INSPECTIONS AS WE GO SO THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO THESE CODE ENFORCEMENT TYPE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE.

WE HAVE, I BELIEVE MONTH AND TYPE INSPECTIONS THAT WE'RE DOING ON FENCE PERMITS.

>> BUT THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY ADDRESS SOMEONE WHO PUT UP SOME OF THOSE NON-CONFORMING FENCES 10 YEARS AGO, DIDN'T PULL A PERMIT OR WHATEVER.

>> [OVERLAPPING]

>> PLEASE CONTINUE [INAUDIBLE].

>> WE DO CATCH THOSE WHEN THEY COME IN FOR A NEW INSTALLATION OR COMING TO REPLACE SOME OF THE PORTIONS OF THE FENCE AND WE WOULD HAVE THEM MOVE IT TO THE CORRECT LOCATION IF THEY WERE TRYING TO REPLACE IT AND GET A PERMIT.

BUT WE'RE NOT PROACTIVELY GOING BACK TO THOSE FENCES.

ALSO APPENDING THIS CODE REVISION TO SEE WHAT GETS APPROVED.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN AND SAY I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST ANY PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF THESE NONCONFORMING USES.

LOOKING BACKWARD, WE'RE DOING GOOD WHEN WE GET NEW PERMITS FOR REPLACEMENTS, TRYING TO GET THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THAT TIME AND CERTAINLY TAKING CARE OF THAT AS WE SEE THEM GOING FORWARD.

BUT I THINK THAT YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED TO KNOW HOW MANY FENCES HAVE BEEN NON-CONFORMING FOR DECADES AT A TIME.

I DON'T THINK THE CITY WANTS TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE ROLLING IN ASKING PEOPLE TO MOVE FENCES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR 20 YEARS WHEN THEY'VE DONE NOTHING OTHER THAN JUST LIVE THERE.

WE'LL TRY AND CATCH IT THE NEXT TIME THEY REPLACE OR DO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

IT'S PROBABLY WAY MORE FREQUENT THAN YOU MIGHT THINK.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I AGREE.

YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO HIRE STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE FENCE SET OR NON-CONFORMING.

BUT IF A NEIGHBOR COMPLAIN, THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT ISSUE POTENTIALLY.

BUT YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. THANK YOU.

>> IF I MAY INTERJECT AND ADD ON TO THAT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE DRIVERS OF THIS EFFORT TO BRING THIS ANALYSIS.

BUT BEFORE YOU IS THAT THE EXCEPTION HAS ALMOST BECOME THE RULE.

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THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF FAIRNESS ELEMENT WHEN WE ARE APPLYING THE CODE, THE WAY IT READS TODAY.

THEY SEE TWO, THREE, FOUR OTHER FENCES THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING OUT 15 FEET OR CLOSER TO THE STREET.

THEY'RE SCRATCHING THEIR HEAD AND GO INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND SAYING WHY ARE WE ENFORCING OUR CODES? WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE JUST BECAUSE I WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO COME IN FOR A PERMIT.

WHILE THERE ARE A LOT OF NON-CONFORMING FENCES, WE FEEL WE HAVE A CODE HERE THAT BRINGS IN MANY OF THOSE SITUATIONS INTO CONFORMITY.

COUNCIL MEMBER CARLIN, WHEN YOU SAY WELL, YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT THIS DOES TO NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE BAD PART ABOUT THAT IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD NOW FOR THE NEXT 90 DAYS AND NOT SEE EVERY FENCE IN YOUR SIDE PERIPHERAL VISION WITHOUT SAYING WHAT SETBACK IS THAT? DO I LIKE THAT? DO I NOT LIKE THAT? YOU'LL REALLY START LOOKING AT THESE THINGS LIKE WE HAVE DONE OVER MANY MONTHS NOW.

I THINK THAT'S A BIG CONSIDERATION THAT WE'VE HAD, WHICH IS THE EXCEPTION HAS ALMOST BECOME THE RULE.

THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO REALLY STUDY THE RULE TO SEE IF IT NEEDS TO CHANGE TO MATCH WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTIES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE.

I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT WHILE THIS MAY SEEM URGENT TO THOSE AND IT'S FENCE SEASON NOW, LOOKING TO PUT THEIR FENCES UP.

WE DO HAVE TIME WITH THIS.

THIS IS A STAFF INITIATED AMENDMENT.

IF YOU'D LIKE US TO STUDY MORE THINGS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TO LOOK AT MORE THINGS, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

WE WANT IT DONE RIGHT BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVE CHANGED PRACTICES NOW GOING FORWARD, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT ANY PERMIT THAT COMES IN GETS INSPECTED UPON COMPLETION.

WE DO HAVE OUR COMMUNITY STANDARDS FOLKS THAT SOMETIMES WILL BRING US A WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE SEEING A FENCE INSTALLED, CHECK THE DATABASE, SEE THAT THERE'S NO PERMIT, WILL TRY TO STOP THAT WORK AND GET THEM ANY COMPLIANCE.

THERE'S A MYRIAD OF REASONS WHY WE HAVE A LOT OF NON-CONFORMING FENCE IS OUT THERE.

SOME OF IT HAS BEEN PRACTICE OF THE CITY, BUT TO BECKY'S POINT, IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE A GOOD STYLE STARTING POINT TO GO FORWARD WITH PERMITTING AND INSPECTING RESIDENTIAL FENCES.

>> GREAT. FROM A GOING FORWARD STANDPOINT, IF YOU IMPLEMENT WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING ON CORNER LOTS AND A PERMIT COMES IN, AND I PRESUME IT COMES IN WITH A DRAWING AND SAYING THIS IS WHERE THE FENCE WILL GO, WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO NOTIFYING THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IN ADVANCE SO THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST KNOW ABOUT IT BEFORE THE FENCE COMPANY SHOWS UP?

>> NO. IT REALLY JUST BECOMES THE BUNDLE OF PROPERTY RIGHTS AFFORDED ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO PUT UP A FENCE.

AGAIN, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IN OUR EXPERIENCE, WE DON'T HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS GENERALLY WHEN A FENCE GOES UP, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS FRONT YARD AND YOU DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE AS AN IMPORTANT VIEW OUT OF THAT THEN YOUR REAR YARD OR NOT BUT IT WOULD JUST BECOME PART OF THE PROPERTY RIGHTS AFFORDED CODE FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER.

>> MRS. WILLIAMS, ARE YOU HERE THIS EVENING?

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> WELL, YOUR BABY'S BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH US.

>> [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND] [NOISE].

>> IF YOU WANT TO OR IF YOU'RE CAN.

I WANT TO TALK WHILE YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR EXAMPLE I DON'T FIND THIS OFFENSIVE LIKE I DID BECAUSE THE HOME ADJACENT TO IT IS CANTILEVER AWAY FROM THIS ANYWAY, AND FRANKLY, THE PEOPLES IN OUR FACT ARE THE BACKYARD OF THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET.

NOW, TOM SAID THE KEY THING, WHICH I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO GO TO, BUT WE HAVE A GREAT STAFF, I DON'T WANT STAFF HAVING TO DO EVERY SINGLE FENCE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE BUT I THINK WE CAN BUILD INTO THE CODE SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES WHAT'S NEXT DOOR OR WHO IS IT IMPACTING? BECAUSE WHILE WE AREN'T GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS RIGHT NOW, IF THAT BECOMES THE NORM, I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE THERE THAT HAVE THE NEW FENCES PUT IN THEIR FRONT YARD AND THEIR VIEW WILL BECOME MORE VOCAL AS IT PROLIFERATES.

I DON'T WANT TO GO MAKE SOMETHING RIGHT THAT WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE.

THANKS FOR COMING AND GETTING A PERMIT AND ASKING, WE HAVE A FEW THAT BUILD THEIR OWN FENCE THAT WE PROBABLY WILL NEVER CATCH, IT WILL HAPPEN.

IN MY MIND, THERE'S SOME ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST THE FENCE CODE.

THE FENCE BUILDER WHO'S PULLING THE PERMIT AND WHO IS INSPECTING WHAT THEY'RE DOING,

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SET THE RULE AND GO FORWARD AS YOU DO REPLACEMENT FENCES, TRY TO ADDRESS THINGS.

IN SOME CASES, LANDSCAPE IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE TREES AND THE BUSHES ARE WHERE THEY ARE AND TO MOVE IT TWO FEET OR FOUR FEET AT THAT TIME DESTROYS THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL AND LOOK ANYWAY.

AGAIN, THIS VIEW, THE WAY THIS IS CONFIGURED, NOT IN SOMEONE'S FRONT DOOR, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH.

BUT THE EXAMPLE THAT I HAD IN THE PACKET BOTHERS ME.

I WANT TO HEAR YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE HERE AND THANKS FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US.

>> I'M ABOUT SIX HOURS IN THIS [INAUDIBLE].

>> I'M SORRY.

>> I'M ABOUT SIX HOURS IN THIS MEETING [INAUDIBLE] .

[OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND]

>> OKAY. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO GO A FEW MORE MINUTES AND THEN I'M GOING TO DISAPPOINT YOU.

I'M NOT SURE WITH SOME DIALOGUE GOING ON HERE THAT TABLING TONIGHT ISN'T INAPPROPRIATE.

THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE TONIGHT AS SCOTT OFFERED.

I THINK WITH SOME THOUGHT AND SOME CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M IN THE MINORITY OR NOT, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN.

I HAD A COUPLE OTHERS AT LEAST NOT THAT THAT CAN WE DO BETTER OR ARE THERE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US, AND I WOULD FRANKLY LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THAT TO HAPPEN.

I KNOW THAT YOU'RE READY TO BUILD A FENCE TODAY, SO I KNOW THAT CAUSES SOME DELAY AS WELL BUT I'M GOING TO BE QUIET FOR A MINUTE AND INVITE YOU TO TO SPEAK.

I KNOW IT'S AMANDA WILLIAMS, IF YOU'D GIVE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> YES. 23,600 IS WHERE WE ARE, NORTHWEST 90TH STREET.

I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH MORE THAT GOES INTO IT.

SO MUCH MORE THAT GOES INTO THIS THAN I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS ALL OF THE PERSPECTIVES OF THE POTENTIAL NEIGHBORS AND SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID, IF YOU BUY THE CORNER LOT, YOU KNOW THE RULES.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE IN OUR SCENARIO BECAUSE THE ONE STIPULATION, WE JUST MOVED HERE LAST YEAR FROM ARIZONA AND ONE THING I TOLD MY REALTORS I HAVE TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I CAN HAVE A FENCE.

THAT'S MY ONE RULE. THEN WHEN WE GOT INTO THIS FENCE DEBACLE SHE SAID THAT YOU CAN HAVE YOUR FENCE BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY OF THE SIDE YARD.

BUT THE BUILDER DIDN'T KNOW THAT, NOBODY KNEW THAT.

EVERYBODY WAS ALONG WITH MY FANTASY OF HAVING THIS LARGE YARD FOR MY KIDS.

THE BACK OF OUR YARD IS SLOPED DOWN TOWARDS THE DRAIN, SO IT'S JUST NOT AN IDEAL, OUR PLAYHOUSE THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE IS ON ITS SIDE.

IT'S NOT THE BIGGEST IN WHAT'S FIRST-WORLD PROBLEMS BUT MY DREAM OF HAVING IT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE HOUSE, WE'RE HOMESCHOOL FAMILY, WE'RE HOME ALL THE TIME, MY DAUGHTER WANTS TO HAVE A LITTLE GARDEN ON THE SIDE.

JUST EVEN IF WE PUT THE GARDEN IN THE BACK THEN THE SIDE WOULD JUST BE ROOM FOR THEM TO JUST RUN, RACE ALL THE TIME.

THERE WAS A LOT THAT NOBODY KNEW.

THEN I WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE APPEAL.

I HAVE LETTERS IN MY ORIGINAL PACKET FROM ALL MY NEIGHBORS, SO WE WENT DOOR KNOCKING TO ASK IF ANYBODY CARED. NOBODY CARED.

THE BUILDER, EVEN I GOT THE HOA, WHO DOESN'T EVER PROVE ANYTHING, I GOT THEM TO APPROVE MY APPEAL.

EVERYBODY WAS ON MY SIDE AND THEN GO INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT CODE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO CASE BY CASE BASIS.

I FELT LIKE I HAD A SLAM DUNK BECAUSE EVERYBODY SAID, "OH, YEAH, THIS IS NO PROBLEM." BUT THEN BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE RULE IS RIGHT NOW THEY BASICALLY WERE JUST LIKE, "WELL, NO, BECAUSE IF WE DO IT FOR YOU THEN WE HAVE TO DO IT FOR EVERYONE." WHICH I UNDERSTAND.

HEARING YOU, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBOR PERSPECTIVE AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT WHEN YOU DO GET A CORNER LOT, YOU DO PAY A PREMIUM.

THEN WHEN YOU PAY THAT PREMIUM AND THEN YOU'RE TOLD YOU CAN'T REALLY UTILIZE IT BECAUSE YOUR KIDS ARE REALLY SMALL 7, 3, 1 AND SIX WEEKS, I CAN'T JUST LET THEM GO OUTSIDE AND OPENLY ENJOY RUNNING AROUND WITH THE CARS THERE, THE MAILBOX IS RIGHT THERE, EVERYBODY'S WALKING THEIR DOGS RIGHT THERE.

IT'S REALLY SEEMS ELEMENTARY WHEN I STAYED AT THIS, I JUST WANT MORE ROOM FOR MY KIDS.

MY HUSBAND WAS LIKE, "IT'S JUST AN EXTRA EIGHT FEET.

IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, " AND I'M LIKE, "I'M GOING INTO THE MEETING.

IT IS A BIG DEAL." [BACKGROUND] IT'S SOMETHING THAT I CARE ABOUT AND I FEEL LIKE AS A HOMEOWNER OF THE ACTUAL PROPERTY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE OWN AND WE CARE FOR AND WE WILL UPKEEP THE FENCE.

WE'LL MAKE SURE IN OUR HOA THEY WON'T EVEN ALLOW A PRIVACY FENCE, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT, AND THEY'LL ONLY ALLOW IT TO BE FOUR FEET.

IT'S REALLY JUST SO THAT MY TINY PEOPLE CAN'T GET OUT.

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THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO JUMP THE FOUR FEET FENCE.

BUT IT MATTERS TO ME AND I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO IT.

I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT OF THE NEIGHBORS, THAT'S WHY WE WENT DOOR TO DOOR TO ASK IF ANYBODY CARED.

ESPECIALLY WITH THE WAY THAT THIS PROPERTY IS OUR NEIGHBOR, TO THE BACK THEY DON'T LOOK DIRECTLY OUT LIKE THE CLASSIC PERPENDICULAR, SO IT IS ALL GOING TO BE.

THERE IS NO PERFECT CODE FOR EVERY PERFECT SCENARIO BUT I JUST FELT LIKE I HAD TO SEE IT THROUGH AND SHOW UP TONIGHT AND SAY MY PIECE ABOUT MY DREAM FENCE. THAT'S ALL.

>> JULIE.

>> I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE AS IT FELLOW CORNER LOT PERSON [NOISE] TRYING TO IMAGINE MY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PRIVACY FENCES ARE OPEN FOUR FEET AND ALL THAT STUFF.

I THINK THAT WHERE I'VE LANDED IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ASSESSMENT IS CORRECT, THAT IF IT'S A FOUR FOOT FENCE, OPEN FENCE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, 15 FEET WOULD BE FINE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOING TO RUIN YOUR VIEW OR MAKE IT FEEL LIKE A FORTRESS OR UNHINGE THE COMMUNITY BY THIS GIANT WALL THAT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET.

IF IT IS A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE, IT'S TOTALLY ENCLOSED BACK OF THE HOUSE FURTHER AWAY.

THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO LAND ON.

>> USE FENCE TYPE AS THE DELINEATOR RATHER THAN.

>> YEAH.

>> I'M IN THAT SAME CAMP AND HAVE BEEN THAT WAY SINCE WE STARTED TALKING.

THAT FOUR FOOT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

>> ARE YOU READY TO RUN INTO THAT TONIGHT OR DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT BACK AND THINK MORE ABOUT THAT, WE'D HAVE CRAIG TALK FIRST, BUT THINK ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANT TO GO THERE BASED ON OUR DIALOGUE AND IMPROMPTU SOLUTION OR NOT? BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY WANT TO GO BACK AND THINK ABOUT THAT AND COME BACK AND GO, THEY'VE GOT A CHOICE.

>> I THINK WHAT SHE JUST SAID WAS WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED, ISN'T IT? [OVERLAPPING]

>> FIFTEEN FEET FROM THE STREET TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IF IT'S AN OPEN OR FOUR FOOT FENCE.

TWENTY-FIVE FEET TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, IF IT'S PRIVACY.

>> I GOT IT.

>> I'M REALLY CONFUSED. BUT AT THIS POINT, LET ME ASK THIS, MS. WILLIAMS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM UP THERE ON THE RIGHT, IS THE BLUE LINE WHERE YOU WANT A FOUR-FOOT TALL OPEN FENCE ON YOUR PROPERTY?

>> YES.

>> THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DENIED THAT AND YOU ARE HERE TONIGHT TELLING US THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE IT? NOW, I'M REALLY CONFUSED.

>> IF I COULD SPEAK TO THAT.

I BELIEVE YOUR ORIGINAL LOCATION WAS CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK THAN 15 FOOT.

>> THAT'S TRUE. SORRY.

>> CLOSER TO WHICH?

>> MY ORIGINAL PROPOSAL DID NOT INCLUDE THE 15 FOOT SETBACK.

I WAS TRYING TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SIDEWALK.

>> BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT INTERPRETATION, WE'RE NOT HERE TO APPROVE HER FENCE OR NOT TONIGHT.

WE'RE HERE TO DO A CODE OR NOT WHICH WILL THEN HAVE AN IMPACT ON WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO.

IT MAY SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM, BUT IT MAY NOT.

>> IN THIS SCENARIO, BLUE LINE FOUR-FOOT FENCE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD COMPROMISE.

>> I'M SORRY. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? DO YOU WANT TO REWRITE CODE WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE OR DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND BRING IT BACK?

>> WE PREFER TO GO BACK AND BRING BACK THE REVISED CODE FOR YOUR REVIEW.

>> THANK YOU. MS. WILLIAM.

THANKS FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND I'M STILL IMPRESSED.

>> THANK YOU.

>> NORMALLY THEY GET THIS CLOSE AND THEY CRY.

>> MY HUSBAND IS PUTTING THE OTHER THREE TO BED.

[LAUGHTER]

>> THIS IS EASY.

>> THIS IS LIKE A NIGHT OUT.

>> WELL, YOU CAN HANG OUT A LITTLE LONGER IF YOU WANT TO.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE'VE OPENED THE PUBLIC DIALOGUE.

IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT CAME TO TALK ABOUT FENCING OR RETAINING WALLS.

>> STEPHANIE HAS NOT ACTUALLY COMPLETED HER PRESENTATION YET.

>> WELL, WE'RE OPEN. I'M GOING TO HAVE COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE THE RETAINING WALL PIECES AS WELL.

SEEING NO ONE, PLEASE CONTINUE.

>> GREAT. THAT MOVES US ALONG TO RETAINING WALLS, WHICH ARE EQUALLY AS FUN, I PROMISE.

[LAUGHTER] HOPEFULLY A LITTLE LESS CONTROVERSIAL.

WITH FENCES AND RETAINING WALLS, WE HAVE SOME INTERESTING SCENARIOS SOMETIMES WHERE A FENCE IS NECESSARY ON TOP OF A RETAINING WALL.

SOMETIMES THAT'S BECAUSE THERE IS A WALKWAY ADJACENT, OTHER TIMES IT'S JUST FOR SAFETY OR AESTHETICS.

CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, WE DO NOT ADDRESS IT DIRECTLY.

WE'RE OPTING TO CREATE A NEW REGULATION THAT CLARIFIES THE FENCE AND RETAINING WALL RELATIONSHIP.

THE GRAPHIC YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE SHOWS A FENCE AND RETAINING WALL COMBINATION AT A 10 FOOT MAXIMUM.

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IF YOU WANT A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE, ANY STYLE, OPEN, CLOSED, WOOD, VINYL, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THEN YOUR RETAINING WALL HEIGHT COULD ONLY BE FOUR FEET.

FIVE FOOT FENCE, FIVE FOOT WALL MAXIMUM.

YOU DO THE MATH ANYWAY YOU SEE IT.

FENCES ARE LIMITED TO GENERALLY SIX FEET FOR RESIDENTIAL AND 10 FEET IN NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THOUGH.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN THE CODE THAT THERE IS A NEW TIERING REQUIREMENT.

AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, TIERS WILL BE LIMITED TO 10 FEET MAXIMUM.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY ALL BE 10 FEET, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM.

IF A FENCE WERE TO BE WANTED ON TOP OF A RETAINING WALL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT RETAINING WALL WAS LESS THAN THAT 10 FOOT MAX FOR THAT COMBINATION.

I ALSO HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF RETAINING WALLS.

YOU CAN SEE THIS ONE HERE OVER AT SONOMA WITH THE STONE RETAINING WALL AND THE OPEN STYLE BLACK FENCE ON TOP THERE.

HERE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE, NOT IN LENEXA, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM, IS A VERY TALL STYLE RETAINING WALL WITH A PRIVACY FENCE ON TOP.

JUST THE MASSING OF THIS, IF YOU FLIP BACK AND FORTH, EVEN THOUGH THIS ONE'S PROBABLY NOT QUITE AS TALL HERE, IT'S PROBABLY EXCEEDING THE 10 FOOT THERE WITH SOME FENCING ON TOP.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THIS IS GRADUALLY TIERED AND THE VENTS ON TOP IS OPEN STYLE, YOU HARDLY SEE IT, WHEREAS THIS IS QUITE A WALL.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE THIS IN PERSON, 119TH IN SWITZER.

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE AT THE CASEY'S ON PRAIRIE STAR PARKWAY.

THERE IS A RETAINING WALL WITH AN OPEN STYLE FENCE INSTALLED DIRECTLY BEHIND IT.

WE DO SEE THE FENCES BOTH WITHIN A FEW FEET OF THE WALKWAY AND THE RETAINING WALL OR INSTALLED DIRECTLY ON TOP OF SOMETIMES.

THIS WAS A GOOD ANGLE SHOWING THE WALKWAY FENCE AND RETAINING WALL RELATIONSHIP HERE.

LESS COMMON, BUT WE DO SEE THEM, A FENCE AND RETAINING WALL RELATIONSHIP ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

BEFORE I MOVE ON TO PROCESS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR DISCUSSION FOR FENCES AND RETAINING WALLS?

>> [INAUDIBLE].

>> WE WOULD MEASURE THE OTHER SIDE TYPICALLY.

I DID NOT GO ON TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

TAKE A PICTURE WITH THOUGH.

THERE'S A BIG DROP.

I BELIEVE THIS IS THE BRISTOL HIGHLANDS NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> STEPHANIE, WE DON'T HAVE A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT NOW ON RETAINING WALLS?

>> NO, WE WORK WITH THE INDIVIDUALS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS TO MAKE SURE STRUCTURALLY THAT IT WORKS AND AESTHETICALLY THAT IT WORKS.

THIS WOULD JUST SOLIDIFY SOME OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN PRACTICING.

GENERALLY, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARD 8-10 FOOT TIERS WITH ESPECIALLY COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CRAIG. [NOISE]

>> I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD HAPPEN VERY OFTEN, BUT I THINK IT HAS IN THE PAST AND I THINK I'M REMEMBERING A LONG TIME AGO WHEN WE REGRADED FROM NORTH OF 87TH STREET AND WE CUT IT DOWN QUITE A LITTLE BIT, AND THERE WAS A HOUSE AT ABOUT 85TH OR SO THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN 85 TO PURCHASE WHERE THEY HAD A NICE SLOPING YARD, WENT OUT TO WHAT WAS THEN TWO LANES OF AN H ANTI-B TO DESIGN, IF I RECALL RIGHT, AND IT'S A BIG TALL RETAINING WALL THAT WENT RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE WHICH LEFT AND WE DIDN'T BUY THE HOUSE, BUT IT WAS LEFT THAT PROPERTY OWNER WITH NO ALTERNATIVE FOR THEIR PRIVACY FENCE TO PUT IT RIGHT ON TOP.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT IS, BUT IT'S MORE THAN 20 FIT. I THINK.

THAT WOULD PROBABLY OCCUR IN SOME TYPE OF A WIDENING AREA WHERE WE'D HAVE TO TAKE ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY AND WIDEN ROADS OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT MIGHT OCCUR, BUT I JUST RECALL WHAT HAPPENED THERE AT THE TIME.

>> THAT WOULD BE AN INSTANCE WHERE THEY COULD REQUEST A DEVIATION AND HAVE THAT DEVIATION GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.

>> RODE DESIGNER, IF YOU WILL, WOULD PROBABLY ASK FOR THE DEVIATION.

>> THAT ARE THE HOMEOWNER.

>> I WOULD GUESS THE RETAINING WALL WILL BE PART OF THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION, NOT THE HOMEOWNERS, BUT FENCE MIGHT BE. THANK YOU.

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>> THIRTY SIX INCHES.

>> APART OF THE TIERS NEED TO BE AFFIRMED.

>> THIRTY SIX INCHES.

[LAUGHTER]

>> THE TEARS HAVE TO BE 36 INCHES.

>> THEN WE'LL HAVE STAFF REPEAT THE ANSWER WITH THE QUESTION FROM NOW ON BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO THAT, SO PLEASE.

>> MOVING ON TOWARD THE END HERE.

AS I MENTIONED, THE DEVIATION PROCESS, YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE ARE TWO PATHS TO TAKE DURING THE ENTITLEMENT STAGE, WHICH IS BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND SOMETIMES CONTINUES ONTO THIS BODY.

IT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF THERE WERE TO BE A DEVIATION REQUEST, ANYTHING, FENCE, WALL, RETAINING WALL, UNRELATED POST ENTITLED MEN, IF THEY COME IN FOR A PERMANENT OF SOME TYPE, STAFF WOULD REVIEW THAT DEVIATION REQUESTS ADMINISTRATIVELY.

IF WE FOR EXAMPLE, CHOSE TO DENY A FENCE LOCATION, THAT COULD BE APPEALED TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, AND THE CHANGE HERE REALLY THE KEY IS IN THIS RED BOX, YOU CAN SEE IT USED TO BE APPEAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THAT'LL BE STRIKED OUT AND THAT WOULD INSTEAD GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.

THAT IS THE CHANGE TO PROCESS.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WITH THAT? WE'RE ALMOST DONE. THIS IS THE MOST EXCITING THING IN MY OPINION [LAUGHTER] IT IS EXCITING.

IT'S A NICE TABLE OF ALL THE REGULATIONS.

WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH THIS.

WE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBERS TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND PROVIDE INPUT FOR NOT ONLY THIS TABLE, BUT THE WHOLE CODE THAT YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET TONIGHT.

I KNOW YOU CAN'T PROBABLY READ THIS ON THIS PARTICULAR SCREEN, BUT YOU'LL SEE IT IN DETAIL IN YOUR ORDINANCE AND THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS IN THE PACKET.

THIS IS BASICALLY A ONE-STOP SHOP FOR SOMEONE TO SEE.

WHERE CAN I PUT MY FENCE WALL RETAINING WALL, THERE IS A PERMANENT REQUIRED FOR IT.

WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED? WHAT'S THE LOCATION ALLOWED AND THE MATERIALS ALLOWED? READ THAT ACROSS THE BOARD.

I'M SURE IT'S NOT PERFECT IN EVERY ASPECT AND WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOME STAFF REVIEWS AND SOME PRACTICAL DECISION-MAKING ALONG THE WAY.

WE DO HAVE SOME FOOTNOTES ASSOCIATED WITH SEVERAL OF THESE ITEMS ON THIS TABLE AS WELL TO ADD FURTHER CLARITY.

BUT I THINK THIS WILL BE A VERY KEY ELEMENT THAT WILL HELP NOT ONLY STAFF ADMINISTRATE THE CODE, BUT FOR A RESIDENT OR PROPERTY OWNER TO BE ABLE TO DISCERN WHAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO WITH THEIR FENCE WALL OR RETAINING WALL.

LASTLY, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS DRAFTED ANY OR ORDINANCES THIS EVENING.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK THE TOPIC IN THE CHART WOULD BE A GREAT TOWN TALK ARTICLE.

PUT IT IN THERE ABOUT THIS BIG WITH A LINK SO PEOPLE GO SEE IT.

BUT WE'RE PROBABLY TOO LATE FOR THIS SEASON TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT THERE'LL STILL BE STUFFED ON ALL SUMMER.

>> CAN I ASK?

>> CERTAINLY.

>> WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE CHART?

>> SURE.

>> THE SECURITY FENCE, BARBED WIRE, MAXIMUM HEIGHT EIGHT FEET.

WHAT ARE WE RETAINING WITH AN EIGHT-FOOT BARBED WIRE FENCE.

>> THAT'S FOR AGRICULTURAL.

>> I KNOW BUT I'M JUST THINKING MOST COWS ARE FOUR OR FIVE FIT TALL.

>> SOME OF THOSE REGULATIONS WERE CURRENTLY FOUND IN THE CODE AND WERE CARRIED OVER SO WE DON'T CREATE NONCONFORMITY.

>> BUT I WAS CURIOUS AS WELL.

>> MR. RALF USED TO HAVE BUFFALO ON HIS PROPERTY AND IF A BARBED WIRE WOULD STOP THEM, EIGHT FIT WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED, AND IT ONLY STOPPED THEM IF THEY WANTED TO BE STOPPED.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY THEM, JUST TO CENTER THEM, I'LL BE USING RAZOR WIRE.

[LAUGHTER]

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT OR MOTION TO TABLE, THERE'S OR CONTINUE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SAY IT.

>> MAYOR, CAN I INTERJECT, BUT I THINK WE'RE HEARING YOU.

IF WE GO BY WAY OF CONTINUANCE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND A MAY 16TH MEETING TO GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO GO BACK INTO THE CODE, MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING DONE.

BUT STEPHANIE, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE ONE OF THE SITE PLANS WITH THE FENCE LOCATIONS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HEARING COUNCIL MEMBER SAYERS AND OTHERS CORRECTLY.

IF I'M HEARING MAJORITY CONSENSUS, WHAT I WROTE DOWN IS AT THE 15 FOOT SETBACK,

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IT COULD BE AN OPEN STYLE UP TO SIX FIT TALL OR ANY OR NON OPEN STYLE LIMITED TO FOUR FIT TALL.

DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> RIGHT UP TO SIX FEET, THAT'S WHY THAT WOULD BE A SIX-FOOT TALL, OPEN STYLE FENCE.

THEN I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY IF IT'S CLOSED STYLE OR IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO FOUR FEET.

>> [OVERLAPPING] SCOTT, THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE SAID.

>> IT'S A 25 STYLE FENCE, YOU WANT IT TO BE AT CURRENT LOCATE WHAT THE CURRENT CODE ALLOWS.

>> OPEN STYLE. [NOISE]

>> I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THE FOUR-FOOT FOR THE MAYOR'S DISCUSSION ABOUT VIEW.

I THINK THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT SITUATION IF YOU STAY AT FOUR FOOT.

>> GREAT. JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION.

>> IF I COULD INTERJECT TOO.

SOMETIMES IF THERE'S A POOL IN THE BACKYARD, THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE TALLER THAN FOUR FEET, I BELIEVE IT'S A FIVE FOOT USUALLY WITH BUILDING CODE.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WITH THIS AS WELL.

>> WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT. THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO MEET THAT DIFFERENT SETBACK THEN WHEN THEY DESIGN THEIR POOL.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> I'M GOING TO NEED YOU TO, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO, BUT I NEED THE NAME AND ADDRESS IN THE MICROPHONE.

[BACKGROUND] NO.

>> MY NAME IS CRAIG SHERRY.

WE LIVE IN WOODLAND RESERVE, 20036 WEST EIGHTY-NINTH STREET.

I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE RETAINING WALL SITUATIONS.

WE LIVE ON A STREET THAT'S PERHAPS A LITTLE UNIQUE.

IT BACKS UP TO WOODLAND ROAD AND IF YOU'VE DRIVEN DOWN THERE, IT'S A VERY STEEP HILL.

WE ARE THE BACK-END TO DEVELOPMENT AND THEN IT'S ABOUT A 30-DEGREE OR MORE DROP.

OUR BACKYARDS, NONE OF THEM ARE FLAT.

THERE'S PROBABLY 10-12 HOUSES BUILT THIS WAY.

PRETTY MUCH EVERY HOUSE HAS A RETAINING WALL IN THE BACK, OTHERWISE, YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN THE YARD.

BUT THE YARDS ARE ALSO PRETTY SHALLOW.

I MEAN YOU'VE GOT MAYBE 30 FEET BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THE WOODS WHERE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S ROCK AND IT'S NOT EVEN DEVELOPABLE LAND THERE.

DON JULIAN, WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE, HE BUILT BASICALLY A 12-FOOT HIGH CONCRETE BLOCK WALLS 80 FEET LONG THAT SETS BACK ABOUT 20 FEET FROM THE BACK OF OUR HOUSE.

THIS THING, IT'S AT LEAST 12 FEET IN THE MIDDLE.

AND AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT A FENCE FOR SAFETY ON THE TOP OF IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU GO OVER THE EDGE AND YOU'RE DOWN INTO THIS WOODED AREA.

MY CONCERN WITH THIS 10-FOOT TOTAL IT'S HOUSES LIKE THIS THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD MAKE IT WORK IN THE SHALLOW AMOUNT OF LAND YOU'VE GOT TRYING TO GO DOWN A 30-DEGREE HILL.

YOU NEED A TALLER FENCE JUST TO GET THE THING, THE FUNCTION AND THEN YOU STILL GOING TO NEED A RETAINING WALL.

IT'S A GOOD 10-12 FEET HIGH AND THEN ANOTHER 4-6 FOOT FENCE ON TOP OF IT.

WE PROBABLY COULD GET AN EXCEPTION, I MEAN, THERE'S NO VIEW TO THIS BECAUSE IT'S ALL WOODS BEHIND US, SO I'M ASSUMING IT PROBABLY WOULD BE APPROVED.

BUT I AM SAYING THERE ARE SITUATIONS RESIDENTIAL LIKE THIS WHERE THE LAND IS SUCH THAT YOU NEED A TALL RETAINING WALL BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DEAL WITH THE PROPERTY AND THE SHALLOWNESS OF IT IN A REASONABLE WAY.

OTHERWISE, YOU'D HAVE FIVE OR SIX STEPS TO TRY TO DEAL WITH GETTING THIS DOWN TO THE BACK OF THE ZONE.

IT WOULD LOOK REALLY STRANGE, MAYBE BECOME BIZARRE TO HAVE ALL THESE TIERED SECTIONS ON A STEEP HILL, SO THAT WAS ALL I WANTED TO MENTION. THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE THE ADDRESS.

WE CAN DRIVE BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR ANSWER AND SEE WHAT MADE SENSE.

>> IT'S A LITTLE STRIPPING.

THE BUILDER PUT THESE UP MOSTLY IN MOST CASES THERE, THEY GOT THEIR APPROVAL.

AT THIS POINT, IF WE CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL, WE WANT A FENCE THE THING ON TOP FOR SAFETY AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, IT'S ALREADY GOT A CODE.

YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR FENCE BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY AT 10 FEET, THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM WORKABLE.

>> THOSE EXISTING CONDITIONS MAY OR EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD QUALIFY IN MY MIND FOR STAFF DEVIATION TO THE CODE BECAUSE THOSE EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE OWNERS AREN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH IS WHEN THE BUILDER UPFRONT IS DESIGNING THOSE WALLS AND SUBMITTING PLANS TO THE CITY THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT DESIGN FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.

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>> THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU, CRAIG.

>> APPRECIATE. YES.

>> I THINK THERE WOULD ALSO BE A DISTINCTION TO MAKE IN THAT EXAMPLE BETWEEN A FOUR-FOOT OPEN FENCE AND SIX-FOOT PRIVACY FENCE BECAUSE YOU REALLY ONLY NEED THE FOUR-FOOT FOR SAFETY.

YOU DON'T NEED TO BUILD A SIX-FOOT PRIVACY FENCE FOR SAFETY.

>> I NEED A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM TILL THE MAY 16TH COUNCIL MEETING.

MOTION BY DAN SECONDED BY COURTNEY ALL IN FAVOR.

>> AYE.

>> OPPOSED. APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK AND THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES WE GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLES AND CHEW ON THESE BUT THAT'S OUR JOB TOO.

ITEM NUMBER 11 IS CONSIDERATION OF

[11. Consideration of establishing Project Plan 3H in the City Center Tax Increment Financing District (Advent Health Phase 1 - Hospital)]

ESTABLISHED AND PROJECT PLAN 3H AND THE CITY-CENTER TAX INCREMENT FINANCING DISTRICT IS THE ADVENT HEALTH PHASE ONE HOSPITAL PROJECT.

WE'LL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AFTER THAT IS OVER, WE WILL DISCUSS AN ORDINANCE APPROVING TIFF PROJECT PLAN 3H BY A 2/3 VOTE OF THE GOVERNING BODY.

THEN WE WILL ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE DISPOSITION DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH SHAWNEE MISSION MEDICAL CENTER. SHANE.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SHANE MCLAUGHLIN, CITY ATTORNEY.

AS THE MAYOR STATED, THIS IS PROJECT PLAN 3H FOR PHASE ONE OF ADVENT HEALTH, WHICH IS THE HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING.

TIFF PROJECT PLAN 3H COVERS APPROXIMATELY 13.5 ACRES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE 86TH AND RENNER INTERSECTION, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE MAP THERE ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE WHOLE ADVENT PROJECT THERE, THE COMPLETE 27 ACRES.

THE PROJECT PLAN USED TAX INCREMENT TO FINANCE THE DEVELOPER FOR ELIGIBLE SITE DEVELOPMENT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 240,000-SQUARE-FOOT HOSPITAL, AS WELL AS APPROXIMATELY 54,000-SQUARE-FOOT MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING.

THE PROJECT PLAN APPROVES UP TO 9.05 MILLION IN PRIVATE ELIGIBLE REIMBURSEMENT AND IS ANTICIPATED TO GENERATE 4.45 MILLION IN TIFF INCREMENTS OVER THE 20-YEAR PERIOD.

AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, YOU'LL VOTE IN THE ORDINANCE TO APPROVE THE TIFF PROJECT PLAN 3H.

IF THAT PASSES, YOU WILL THEN VOTE TO APPROVE A DISPOSITION AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER CONTAINS MOST OF THE STANDARD TERMS THAT WE GENERALLY HAVE ON ALL THE PREVIOUS DBAS.

I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, REPRESENTATIVES TO THE APPLICANT ARE HERE AS WELL.

OTHER THAN THAT, I WILL STAND FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, SHANE. QUESTIONS? APPLICA HAVE ANY REMARKS TONIGHT? YES, JOE.

>> YEAH. A QUESTION, SHANE. I LOOKED THROUGH THE PACK THAT I DON'T THINK I SAW THIS.

MAYBE IT WASN'T THERE. ARE HOSPITALS TAX EXEMPT FROM PROPERTY TAX BASIS?

>> THEY ARE. IT WAS IN THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS SECTION, BUT THEY ARE, MY BEST EXPLAIN IS THE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE SIZE OF PROJECT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IN THE LOW AMOUNT OF INCREMENT WE PROJECT TO BE GENERATED OVER THE COST.

THIS IS A VERY HIGH-LEVEL INVESTMENT.

I THINK OVER HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, BUT WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT NINE MILLION OF ELIGIBLE COSTS, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, ONLY 4.5 MILLION OF PROJECTED INCREMENTS.

WE ANTICIPATE THE MLB MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING WILL PRODUCE INCREMENTS, BUT THE HOSPITAL ITSELF WILL NOT PRODUCE INCREAMENT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT HOSPITAL, FOR-PROFIT HOSPITALS ARE NOT TAX-EXEMPT.

>> I'M LISA JOHNSON, REGIONAL DIRECTOR.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOTION BY TOM SECOND BY CRAIG. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE? DO YOU WANT TO TALK MORE OR JUST BE READY FOR QUESTIONS?

>> WAITING FOR YOUR QUESTIONS OR SHUT IT DOWN IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY.

>> I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE, APPROVING TIFF PROJECT PLAN 3H.

MOTION BY CRAIG, SECOND BY DAN. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? JUST NOTE IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE, SO WE MET THE TWO-THIRDS REQUIREMENT AND I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE OR ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT DISPOSITION AGREEMENT.

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MOTION BY JULIE. SECOND BY TOM. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND WAITING FOR US AND REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

WE HAD THE GROUNDBREAKING LAST WEEK AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY IN THE COMMUNITY, AND ALL OF US THINK IT'LL BE A GREAT ADDITION HERE TO OUR CITY CENTER IN PARTICULAR AND THE CITY OF LENEXA IN GENERAL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> YOU HAD TO WAIT FOR THAT LONG TO GET THROUGH THAT.

WE SHOULD HAVE DRAGGED THIS ONE OUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEN THE ARTS COUNCIL WOULD HAVE BEEN MAD.

NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER 12 IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE LIMITS OF OLD TOWN ACTIVITY,

[12. Acceptance of the Lenexa Old Town Activity Center Public Art Committee’s recommendations regarding a mural at the Lenexa Old Town Activity Center]

CENTER OF PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION.

WE'D GOTTEN A MURAL AT THE OLD TOWN ACTIVITY CENTER. LOGAN.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, COUNCIL.

LOGAN WALKER, PORTRAIT CREATION.

WITH ME TONIGHT I HAVE STEVEN BOODY, PUBLIC ART AND PRACTICE, WHO'S GOING TO BE HANDLING THE BULK OF THE PRESENTATION.

I'M GOING TO KICK THINGS OFF AND WRAP THINGS ON THE END AND STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.

JUST SOME QUICK BACKGROUND, I BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BACK LAST YEAR WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE PUBLIC ART PRIORITY LIST.

BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND POTENTIAL MURAL AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND SENIOR CENTER AS IT WAS STARTING TO BE, BECOME A PROJECT.

WE'VE BEEN SET OUR SIGHTS ON THERE AND BEEN WORKING SINCE THEN.

IN JUNE, WE CONTRACTED WITH PUBLIC ART AND PRACTICE.

WE ALSO FORMED A PRETTY LARGE COMMITTEE THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR, I GUESS NOW, GOING ON ALMOST A YEAR.

IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK IN THE MAKING AND GET TO THIS POINT.